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Mercury Montego, Ford Five Hundred, Sedan
#2 of 96 nice car...
May 04, 2003 (9:29 am)
only if they will build it very very very close to the drawing. by the way, ANT14, where did you find that pic of the interior? I looked all over and couldn't find one. good job!
there is a lot of talk out there about this car (Ford 500) needing a V. I personally don't see a need of it. How fast do cars need to go? Who really cares about 0-60 data? Anyone out there really going to gun the 0-60 on a daily basis? Either the 3.0 or 3.5 V-6 will work for me. And I can't wait to see test drive the CVT. I think for this car to be a success, Ford will need quality quality and quality.
Will this car look good in white? hehehe
May 04, 2003 (1:47 pm)
I'm loaded with those..... Has potential.
May 04, 2003 (5:37 pm)
Because of packaging constraints, Ford would have to modify a current V8, to place it into this car. Lets take an example, they can use the 3.9L DOHC V-8 from the Tbird/LS. It's the smallest V8 they have and would fit. Issue is, Jag will be the exclusive user of that engine in 2 years, meaning it wont be viable. By the time this vehicle debuts, the 3.9L V8 will be phased out, because the 3.5L Cyclone V6 will debut, and it's power levels will be competitive with other 3.5L DOHC V6 engines.
Personally, I believe any FWD vehicle with more than 240HP is a bit rediculous unless it doesnt have some major counter balancers to counteract the major torque steer it'll encounter. And even so, it's a bit too much for just the front wheel to handle.
But the Montego and 500 will have AWD available. That should answer that question. And that 3.5L thru the years will be tuned to make more power if needed, without the need of a V8.
The car is also intended to buyers who would buy the Avalon for example. Big, trying to convey luxury, no sporting pretensions, elegance. Already some people are placing the vehicles competitor to the new Chrysler 300C and thats totally off the mark. Considering the 500/Montego, the late arrival answer to the exiting Chrysler LHS sedans. That would be it's more direct compeitor.
It's also intended to be a small volume product, so dont expect to see one at every corner. And there's MAJOR concentration on quality and interior materials. J.Mays' influence is quite evident in the future products we will begin to see. J.Mays was the designer for VW/Audi before he jumped ship. Which explains the nice interiors and quality materials. Which is why VW has a high level of "perceived quality" amongst it's buyers, while in reality it's realibility and dependability, is that of a KIA, go figure what some nice touches here and there can convey.
Overall the quality level used for this vehicle will be like something we havent seen from Ford before. And they dont intend to push them out of the dealership with $2K rebates either. The vehicle will be profittable at over 70K units, and the assembly line is using, can easily switch to the Freestyle, if need be. Depending what theres more demand for.
Pictures are from Wieck media. It's a media site for journalists and other automotive authorities to view pictures of vehicles and such. Many of these are pictures we see in brochures and such. They also take pictures of racing events, and pretty much anything pertaining to vehicles, such as car gatherings, car shows, etc.
May 05, 2003 (4:19 pm)
So, ANT, is Lincoln planning to put something on this platform, because a tall big car is looming in my future someday..... The pictures look nice.
May 05, 2003 (5:55 pm)
ANT, interior looks very similar to Ford Mondeo of Europe. So it may be Mondeo or something based on Mondeo. I don't think that Montego or 500 for that matter interior even exist to make a photo. As far as I know Mondeo interior beeing good enough (by NA Ford standarts) still isn't up to VW competition.
Interior is still Ford's weakness. I don't like the feeling of LS interior e.g. Steering wheel doesn't look sporty, actually my 2002 Sable steering wheel has more sporty looks. Then LS gauge cluster looks dated. Thats very dissapointed because LS is very good car and interior just doesn't match. I just hope that this time they are going to do it right with interior. They have to sort out relations with suppliers to be on long term basis.
May 05, 2003 (6:32 pm)
I myself have a 2000 LS8 when it came out, and I've taken an extensive drive of the new 2003 LS, and those interior issues pertaining to the materials, have been addressed. Surely there's a few items here and there, that were not updated, I was anal enough to notice because I just know whats going on. The steering wheel has a different texture and feel to it, as well as the dashboard texture. It's an improvement by far, but there's always people who want JUST a bit more. Thats where the line gets drawn, as to how much it matters, and what your willing to work around with.
In relation to overall Fords interior...From a recent study conducted, independently, Ford's interior were placed as the best, pertaining to the Big3 manufacturer's. This test dealt with ergonomics/placements, etc, tactile feel, operation, material, workmanship, etc. And overall, from the major manufacturer's, those polled place the Ford behind Toyota, for overall quality.
I do NOT remember where VW placed, I do believe it was in the top 5, but I do not have this information with me, nor will I be able to find it (shreded LONG ago). What VW has (In another study, independent as well) is the highest "Perceived quality". And ironically...it's really just perceived because overall reliability and dependability, is quite bad.
Other things that were pointed out in this study. Customers are more critical of their vehicles, if they have a boring/tacky/plasticky interior. While you have (for example) a VW owner who swears their car is trouble free, yet in reality it's falling apart.
What has been learned? Do NOT go cheap with interior materials/textures. Many people sit in their cars hours a day, do NOT cut costs that they can see.....
The interior does look like the Ford Mondeo because the same designer (J.Mays) who worked for VW/Audi, now works for Ford. HENCE, all future Ford interiors, will have that euro flavor and richness in materials. Look at the gauges, and they look like VW/Audi's layout. Look for simple elegance, simple luxury.
Yes, this platform serves as the basis for the current Volvo S80, S60 Xc70, XC90, Etc. It's Volvo's P2 platform, heavily modified, and Ford-ified. Meaning, less use of aluminum and weight savings. Basic backbone, different bone structure in other words.
Will Lincoln have a version of it... Hmmmm, well not exactly. A few factors must take place for that to occur. As in, Montego will be in the same showroom. It will cause product static (like the Mountaineer and Aviator deal with). It'll depend how successful the vehicle is, along with the 500, along with the Freestyle (which share same platform as well). There are "talks" for a Lincoln version of the Freestyle, ONLY if it's successful at first. Although all the details have not been thought out, THAT I will confirm. As to a sedan version of this platform, as in 500/Montego wise (I have NOT seen such plans, or heard such talks) Is not something I can confirm,
BUT personally, and this is JUST ME using my brain and giving you a wild educated guess. I dont think they would. Why? Because the above mentioned product static, not only in the same dealership, but Volvo will deal heavily with this platform where it originated from, so it might cause brand static as well. Lincoln is more prone to work with the DEW platform (LS,Tbird,S-type) and Futura platform, over the one found in the Montego.
Personally, I'm rather excited about the Montego/500 project because it'll send Ford into a very positive path pertaining to customers expectations, and will rather suprise them. Just hold out for the 2nd year version which will have the 3.5L Cyclone V6... The 3.0L that will be released first, will be a bit of a heavy porker, but not THAT bad though.... THAT will depend on the CVT they will incoporate.
#9 of 96 Montego-Sable
May 05, 2003 (7:44 pm)
Can someone tell me if the Montego is slated to replace the Sable?
May 05, 2003 (9:25 pm)
Montego is upscale car. I think it will rather replace Marquis, may be not replace but will be top of the line. I beleive smaller vehicle based on Mazda6 (of hopefully Mondeo) will replace Sable.
ANT btw how old is Volvo platform. I mean isn't it too old ? I never liked Volvos, but why Volvo is better than Mondeo ? Is that new 3.5 emgine one of Fords modular engines (like Duratec) or it is completely new ?