Last post on Sep 24, 2011 at 8:01 PM
You are in the Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan
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Mercury Milan, Ford Fusion, Sedan
#5780 of 5819 Re: idle shut off question [pod]
May 17, 2011 (5:05 am)
Just a guess,
I believe either Toyota or Volkswagon has a design where the flywheel spins with the engine off, and when you press the pedal it runs up the engine, so no starter motor is needed. Of course it will only spin for a short period of time, so long lights would see the engine spin up at least once while sitting. I think it is electromagnetic in design, similar to the clutch on the AC compressor. When stopped the clutch is off, when engaged, it powers on to spin up the motor.
The other way they can do it is with the hybrid system, where the starter motor is also a drive motor. Instead of a flywheel, its an electric motor/generator. Instead of a large bank of batteries like in the hybrid though, it may only have a few cells to provide power to spin up the motor but not to provide traction, after the motor is running it switches to recharge.
Those are two ways they can do it, whether or not they do is another matter.
#5781 of 5819 Re: idle shut off question [pod]
May 17, 2011 (9:55 am)
Too late to edit my previous post, BUT, Peugeot has it.
On this particular car, the Hybrid system is not the same as the Synergy drive or Ford, or Hyundai systems. This one has 2 different drive trains, the diesel direct drive in the front, and the electric motor in the rear. It uses a high voltage starter/generator for starting the engine. So basically just as I had described, Peugeot is doing. Pretty neat.
#5782 of 5819 Re: idle shut off question [pod]
May 17, 2011 (4:35 pm)
Many manufacturers are promising a feature that shuts off the engine after so many seconds of idling and restarts when the accelerator is pressed, (for fuel economy).
The term is Auto-start-stop (you can figure out the acronym on your own) or Micro-hybrid. Minis in Europe have this feature, as does the European Ford Focus. I believe Range Rovers do as well.
Ford is planning to introduce this feature to all it's vehicles, since idling gets you 0 mpg.
I don't know that much about the system but wonder if someone who does would address the issue of whether it would harm the battery and starting motor which weren't designed for so many repetitive cycles.
Yup, it would, so the micro-hybrids use a more robust starter and flywheel gear. Also, some systems use sensors to track the position of each piston and what cycle its on so it can use that information to make "lite-off" faster. My understanding is the battery is still conventional.
#5783 of 5819 rear window view in rain is often poor
Jun 19, 2011 (6:09 pm)
Have a 2010 Milan I-4. Great car. I have noticed that the view through the rear view mirror during rainy driving is distorted and busy because of specks of dirt and water which act like lenses or some such. I don't like the rear wiper solution that many cars offer and I'm glad I don't have it. I suspect that the shape of the roof and airodynamics don't sweep wind over the rear window very well. I wanted to ask if rain-x on the rear window would eventually lead to clouding from the the retained material? Otherwise it escapes the only criticism of rain-x on the front wind shield is that streaking with each wiper swipe can occur if you apply it incorrectly. There are no wipers on the rear of Fusion/Milan cars so putting it on the rear window seems a good match?
Am I missing something?
#5784 of 5819 Re: rear window view in rain is often poor [pod]
Jun 20, 2011 (5:29 am)
Rain-X works fine, been using it for years, and never had an issue. Every couple weeks I would wash the windshield with a good window cleaner and reapply it. Most of the problems people have using rain-x is due to not applying it correctly. You need to clean the glass thoroughly, then apply the rain-x, let it dry, apply a second coat, let it dry, then buff it off. The last step is where people have problems, if you don't buff it off, it hazes over and streaks. Use a good micro fiber cloth to polish the glass, and you wont have problems.
#5785 of 5819 Re: rear window view in rain is often poor [acdii]
Jun 20, 2011 (4:40 pm)
It doesn't play well with automatic wipers. Other than that I've never had a problem.
#5786 of 5819 Is used Fusion for me?
Jul 07, 2011 (6:30 am)
Need to get a new daily driver. Commute is 80 miles per day. I'm used to Toyota, Honda, Acura quailty but want to give Fusion a shot. Would probably be looking for used, 08-09.
I AM EXTREMELY ANAL about squeaks, rattles, etc. I have an 07 Mustang GT convertible and it's not a quiet car but I don't expect it to be. For my everyday car I need peace.
Will Fusion fit the bill? Thanks.
#5787 of 5819 Re: Is used Fusion for me? [ckone0814]
Jul 07, 2011 (7:18 am)
well So far my 2010 Sport has 38k miles on it, no complaints, it's about as quiet as it can get with the low profile tires and big 3.5 V6. I traded a Camry Hybrid in on it and the Fusion is quieter than the Camry was. It is also holding together much better than the Camry.
#5788 of 5819 quiet 2010 Milan
Jul 07, 2011 (4:37 pm)
I chose the 2010 Milan because it was the quietest car I test drove (an I-4) even with 17" tires. After a year I delight in it's quiet ride--no squeaks or rattles either. I imagine that high end cars are more quiet but in the mid size market I found the Milan (which I suspect is just like the Fusion--or does it have more noise insulation?) to be the quietest. Triple laminated windshield and double door seals make a difference. I doubt the models pre-2010 would be as quiet if they don't have these features. Tires make a huge difference and I am stayig with the OEM Michelilns until they wear out. I may go to a 16" goodyear assurance when the change occurs in search of even more quiet. I had them on my last Mercury and they make an huge difference. An additional feature is that you can dim the inside lights (all of them) so the night ride is dark as well as quiet. A well engineered car which has not caused one moment of buyers remorse; to the contrary I like it more now than when I bought it.
#5789 of 5819 Re: Is used Fusion for me? [ckone0814]
Jul 08, 2011 (9:34 am)
I purchased a 2008 Fusion SEL 6 cyl in May of 2010. I have driven the car 11,000 miles. I like the car. It is quiet on the road. It gets good gas mileage in the 20's. Check Consumer Reports and note, repair wise, that it has top ratings.