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Re: Reliability! [xmech] by baggs32
Nov 03, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: xmech (Nov 02, 2009 6:51 pm)

" I think they already moved some of those to the wheel in a new 'build' version of 2010"
 
Yes they did. The Info, Setup, and Reset buttons have been moved from near the headlamp dial to the steering wheel and what were single function switches on the steering wheel are now dual function rocker switches to make room for those three new functions. Click here to see it. The bottom two switches on the left side of the steering wheel contain the Info/Reset and Setup functions respectively. The top two switches house all of the C/C functions now and are more logically laid out IMO. The top left switch is a rocker that increases or decreases speed (hitting either one will SET your speed too) as opposed to two separate switches doing one or the other. The other switch rocks to Resume or On/Off. The switches on the right of the wheel are unchanged for the audio/SYNC functions.
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Re: Reliability! [xmech] by savetheland
Nov 03, 2009 (11:48 pm)
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Replying to: xmech (Nov 02, 2009 6:51 pm)

xmech, how long it takes AT to learn? I own Mercury Sable. Beside of being very reliable car - I did not experience any problems in 120K miles I have driven this car - it has transparent and precise hydro-powered steering. I do not get this electric steering thing - it is artificially heavy and numb in all cars I drove. Ford version may be better than others by not by large margin. And BTW when I disconnect battery AT in Sable takes about 30 miles for AT to relearn my driving habits. But with Fusion - I drove it already 200 miles and do not see any improvement - it is still clunky and unpredictable. Buttons are located too low and no matter how long I it drive it is impossible to get used to it. I cannot replace Sable even though I own it over 7 years because I cannot find affordable midsize car I am comfortable with. I am start thinking about moving to premium cars like Acura or Buick because I simply cannot find well designed midsize car in lower price point.
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Re: Reliability! [savetheland] by akirby
Nov 04, 2009 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 03, 2009 11:48 pm)

The transmission does not learn "driving habits". It only learns how to vary the pressure required for each shift to maintain factory specifications for shift times. This accounts for individual variations in each transmission and for wear over time.
 
I don't recall anyone (owners or reviewers) who had problems with the steering, transmission or button placements on the 2010 Fusion. I think you're just extremely hard to please, especially if none of the other mid sized sedans work for you either.
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Re: button placement! [akirby] by samnoe
Nov 04, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 04, 2009 6:02 am)

"...I don't recall anyone (owners or reviewers) who had problems with the steering, transmission or button placements on the 2010 Fusion..."
 
Wow. In almost every review I've read, especially from the pro's, it was mentioned about "button placement". and not in a good way. Recently, Ford started to offer an abundance with look-alike buttons, which is hard to de-chiper while driving, and on top of that (or should I say "below that"...?) they're placing'em very low, hard to reach area, sometimes blocked by the shifter.
 
Here is what Consumer Auto Guide says in one review: "Audio and climate systems rely on too many buttons and take time to sort out. Ditto look-alike audio/cruise buttons on the steering wheel. The low-set climate panel can force a long look from road."
 
Also, in another Ford review, they write: "Some testers complain that the stalks for the windshield wipers and turn signals are too far from the steering wheel..." I would like to know, did anyone found the signal stalk is a little weird, pointing way too up, instead of just being straight?? (you could see it in the photo mentioned in message #5485 above).
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Re: button placement! [samnoe] by akirby
Nov 04, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: samnoe (Nov 04, 2009 8:40 am)

Sounds like minor quibbles to me. Certainly nothing that would affect a potential purchase.
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Re: button placement! [samnoe] by baggs32
Nov 04, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: samnoe (Nov 04, 2009 8:40 am)

Also, in another Ford review, they write: "Some testers complain that the stalks for the windshield wipers and turn signals are too far from the steering wheel..." I would like to know, did anyone found the signal stalk is a little weird, pointing way too up, instead of just being straight?? (you could see it in the photo mentioned in message #5485 above).
 
The signal stalk in our '06 Explorer was tilted upward somewhat and I found that to be a good thing because you could easily use it when your hands were in the 10:00 and 2:00 driving position. If the stalk is lower, as it is in most other vehicles, you have to take your hand off of the wheel to use it. Not a big deal, but it's a minor convenience you don't notice until it's gone. I noticed the difference immediately when we turned the Explorer in and leased a Flex which has the straight out signal stalk.
 
Here is what Consumer Auto Guide says in one review: "Audio and climate systems rely on too many buttons and take time to sort out. Ditto look-alike audio/cruise buttons on the steering wheel. The low-set climate panel can force a long look from road."
 
What trim did they test and did it have the DEATC system or the manual HVAC system. The former requires the push of one button to turn on and the turn of a big knob to set the temp. I've changed the temp maybe twice in the nearly 7 months I've had the DEATC in our Flex. My wive probably never changed the temp in her Escape with DEATC and we both keep them on all the time for the most part. If they had the DEATC then they should not be complaining because the manual system is set up differently and may be easier to use.
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Re: Reliability! [savetheland] by xmech
Nov 04, 2009 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 03, 2009 11:48 pm)

I'm no automotive expert, so I don't know if it's the AT computer 'learning or whatever, but early on, I had issues where you almost came to a stop, then got back on the gas, it kind of jumped into gear, and a few times when it was still cold i'd get a hard 2-3 or 3-4 shift, but now at around 4500 miles, I haven't experienced any of that for at least a month. (Had car 3 months now)
 
I'll have to agree about having buttons too low and small, hard to ID, taking too much attention while driving, but I still like the look of the panel, as I said before, being kind of a tech-geek.
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Re: button placement! [samnoe] by savetheland
Nov 04, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Nov 04, 2009 8:40 am)

"Some testers complain that the stalks for the windshield wipers and turn signals are too far from the steering wheel..."
 
I agree. I always have a feeling that high beam is on while driving the car and every time I find out that stalk is in default position. It is difficult to get used. If you own Fusion you probably get used after while, but for rental car it is another annoying feature.
 
BTW does Milan also has an electric steering? I hope MKZ does not have it.
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Re: button placement! [savetheland] by thegraduate
Nov 04, 2009 (6:40 pm)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 04, 2009 5:54 pm)

I wish the stalks on my '06 Accord were further away. In parking lots where I'm maneuvering quickly into spaces, I hit the windshield wiper stalk way too often for it to be considered good design.
 
I haven't had that issue in my daily driver, or my girlfriend's car.
 
I want stalks far enough away that I have to intentionall go for them to engage them!
 
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Re: button placement! [akirby] by explorerx4
Nov 05, 2009 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 04, 2009 9:10 am)

the 2010 fusion doesn't have a 2.3 4 cyl, but lets just ignore that.
the steering wheel buttons each have their own 'brail' code in the corners.
if you pay attention and want to, you can learn them by feel.
it's just too much effort for some.

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