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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [akirby] by baggs32
Oct 08, 2009 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 07, 2009 9:23 am)

That makes sense too Allen. I was thinking it might be cheaper to ship the Aisin from Japan to Mexico (via boat) than it is to truck or train-then-truck the 6F50 down there. Then again, your packaging argument makes more sense given that they already do train-then-truck the 6F35 down there. Although I'm not sure where all the variations of the 6F are assembled either.
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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [baggs32] by akirby
Oct 08, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Oct 08, 2009 8:22 am)

Frankly, the reason could be anything - taxes, shipping, plant capacity, purchase agreements. But isn't it fun to speculate? I'll see if my Ford contact has any other insight.
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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [akirby] by explorerx4
Oct 08, 2009 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 08, 2009 9:14 am)

as an fyi, multiply the number after the 'F' by the number of cylinders to get the transmission torque capacity.
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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [explorerx4] by thegraduate
Oct 08, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 08, 2009 3:07 pm)

Yeah? I believe ya, just wondering how you explain that the EcoBoost uses the 6F55 (= 330lb-ft capacity) with the engine producing 350 lb-ft. Does your figure assume driveline losses or something?
 
 
Just curious.
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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [explorerx4] by akirby
Oct 08, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 08, 2009 3:07 pm)

According to my former Ford transmission engineer friend you multiply by 10 to get the torque capacity. If you think about it - the number of cylinders in the engine would have nothing to do with the torque capacity of the transmission that it's attached to.
 
So a 6F35 has a capacity of 350 ft/lbs. Sounds like a lot but this is AFTER the torque converter and the torque converter can double the amount of engine torque at low speeds.
 
The first number is the number of speeds, then F for FWD or R for RWD then the torque capacity.
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Re: 2010 Fusion v6 gas mileage [thegraduate] by explorerx4
Oct 10, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 08, 2009 3:33 pm)

maybe it only applies to the 'R' transmissions.
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Attn: Fusion Owners by KarenS HOST
Oct 22, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Reliability! by samnoe
Nov 01, 2009 (8:01 am)
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Consumer Reports rated the Ford Fusion Higher than Toyota Camry & Honda Accord.
 
Unbelievable.
 
Note to Ford: Fix those few little complaints, and the Fusion would be a winner. Even more than it's now.
 
The controls are too low mounted and have too many look alike buttons together, which is hard to find/adjust while driving. Copy the Camry for simplicity, lagre, big controls, clearly marked & illuminated (also light the ignition key ring insert and the glove box), design a new updated steering wheel (smaller size. prefer size as the Honda Civic..) Re-arrange the stering wheel mounted controls to be easier to use, the interior door pull should be like on the MKZ/MKS, and a few more improvements, and you have one of the best sedans.
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Re: Reliability! [samnoe] by savetheland
Nov 02, 2009 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: samnoe (Nov 01, 2009 8:01 am)

I am renting 2010 Ford Fusion right now while I am on the vacation at Hawaii. It is 4 cylinder AT. And I have a lot of complaints. First - exactly the same you pointed out - ergonomics is probably the worst in its class. All controls are too low to be comfortable to use. Controls on steering wings is impossible to use without taking look out of road and even then it is difficult to press correct button because all buttons look alike and confusing. Odometer reset and info buttons are hidden in the left low corner of dash - you may crash the car if try to bend down to try find out them. Both left and right armrests are kind of useless because are too far away - nowhere to put you hands to rest. Dead pedal is uncomfortably far away and my legs are not short.
 
In general I have an impression than cabin was designed without much thought - probably most expensive and experienced engineers were laid off from Ford in recent years.
 
Driving expressions. Steering has kind of numb and artificial feel to it - what do you expect from electric steering? But it is common downside of cars with electric steering - Ford is not alone. Engine is very quite at low rpm - you may even think there is an electric motor. But when push hard it sounds harsh. Transmission is not matched well with engine - it feels kind of clunky and confused hardware - it switches abruptly and when you do not expect. I have Ford Focus and I do not feel transmission at all - it is very smooth, responsive and perfectly matches 2.3L engine.
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Re: Reliability! [savetheland] by xmech
Nov 02, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: savetheland (Nov 02, 2009 5:27 pm)

I know how you feel about the console. I was overwhelmed at first, but after about a month, you know where everything is, and personally, I'm mostly happy with it. (But then I'm a geek and love stuff with lots of buttons and stuff to fiddle with.) I know where the steering wheen buttons are already by feel. Just don't like the fact the A/C and recirc button lights are impossible to see in direct sunlight, and the traction control (Or whatever Ford calls it.) button is right where you inadvertantly hit it when putting stuff in and out of the little fwd ash tray or whatever.
 
As far as the steering feel goes, I was thrilled with how it felt after test driving a Sonata. Holy moly! It was like a video game controller!
 
My transmission feels great. Early on, a couple of clunks, but the computer must have learned.
 
As far as the engine noise, either it quieted down or I got used to it. (Probably the latter...) For the MPG improvement over my Grand Cherokee I could get used to alot. Also, I'm always impressed how smoothly it transitions into cruise control. The Grand Cherokee that I traded for the Fusion always kind of lurched.
 
Agree those buttons on the lower left (Odometer, info, etc.) are poor, especially the pushbutton dash light brightness controller being pretty much identicle and right next to the trunk release. Duh! I haven't done that yet.... I think they already moved some of those to the wheel in a new 'build' version of 2010.
 
Anyways, everyone has their preferences, and the Fusion was a good fit for me. Alot of what you guys just posted about are things I haven't experienced, or disagree with, but that's what makes the world an interesting place. If we all liked the same stuff, we'd all be driving the same car, and after the same girl!

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