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The message I had hoped to never write......
by nvbanker
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Aug 25, 2009 (3:14 pm)
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I just bought an 06 Fusion for a friend of mine. I bought it at the auction directly from Ford Motor Credit. The car had 36000 miles on it when I bought it exactly. After 2 weeks, it has 160 more miles on it. The problem is, the transmission is bad - very bad. It slips out of gear whenever it is stressed by any acceleration at all and the engine just spins. You then have to restart the car to re-boot it, and it's ok until you try to give it the gas.
I have been to 2 different dealers in Las Vegas. Both have said the identical thing, that they would try to help me had I bought the car from them, but since I did not, there is nothing they can do. Ford is very reticent to fix out of warranty cars, even those only 100 miles out of warranty. I checked, there are TSBs out on this transmission. Ford knows they have a problem, but will not step up and help me.
I can understand out of warranty exclusions, and if the car had even 40,000 miles, I would not squawk about it. But 100 miles over is egregious and unconscionable for a manufacture to rest on a technicality like this.
I have bought a hundred Fords in my lifetime. I have influenced another hundred friends and family to buy and drive them, and for the most part, I have been pleased with them. I currently drive 3 Fords and have at least 9 friends who do the same due to my direct influence. Ford will lose this battle - not because I will fight them, I will not waste my time. I will fix or sell the car, one or the other. But I will hurt Ford, and I will hurt them badly. They may not notice it, but they will suffer due to this decision.
You heard it here first. I will not buy another Ford. And I will do everything I can in my very influential circle of family of friends to see that they do not buy another Ford. I will cost them tens and tens of sales over the rest of my lifetime. Maybe hundreds of sales.
If Ford is not interested in my business, past present or future, that is alright with me. They are the losers, and it is sad indeed.
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- #5424 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [nvbanker]
by jeffyscott
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Aug 25, 2009 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 25, 2009 3:14 pm)
I bought it at the auction directly from Ford Motor Credit.
Is that an auction that is aimed at car dealers, rather than retail purchasers?
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- #5425 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [jeffyscott]
by nvbanker
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Aug 25, 2009 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 25, 2009 4:05 pm)
Yes it is. Where dealers get their used cars. I am a dealer.
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- #5426 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [nvbanker]
by tim156
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Aug 25, 2009 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 25, 2009 3:14 pm)
I once purchased a car from the Southern California Auto Auction when my brother had a lot in San Diego. Since you could only start the car and can't drive it, I paid a guy who's job is to access the condition based on what is known. Based on his opinion I purchased the car and it turned out to be a good runner for many years. I knew going in that it was buyer beware, no warranties. Now, as you stated in a later post you are a dealer. Did you purchase this vehicle without giving it the once over? If Ford Credit was the seller, was it a repo or returned using a Lemon Law. I don't know if you can actually drive the cars where you are, but was there a maintenance history, did you run it through the gears, was this possibly a known problem, (Lemon Law) or a don't ask don't tell on the part of the seller and auction? Someone had to drive the car at the auction site or did the problem arise after you took possession? One mile, 100 miles or 1000 miles, the warranty expires at 36000. Where would it stop if Ford didn't enforce warranties. How are you going to hurt Ford? Are you going to walk around with a sandwich board reading FORD SUCKS Ask Me How. I don't know how influential your circle is but tens or even hundreds of sales is a drop in the global ocean of Ford. These forums are full of people who claim they will never buy another Ford or Chevy or whatever, so what. And, if they, Ford, don't notice, how does it hurt them???? It sounds to me that your beef is with the auto auction, not Ford. If they put a vehicle with a known problem up for auction and passed it off as a good runner, that's fraud.
2010 Fusion SEL
2.5L FWD
Sport Blue Metallic
Moon & Tune
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- #5427 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [nvbanker]
by jeffyscott
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Aug 25, 2009 (6:41 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 25, 2009 4:48 pm)
Sorry, but I don't think a dealer buying a car at auction has reason to expect Ford or a Ford dealer to give him any special dispensations after the expiration of the warranty.
I'd assume auctions are typically a "buyer beware" type of situation. I think it'd be a different story if you were a retail customer.
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [tim156]
by stephen987
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Aug 26, 2009 (4:43 am)
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Replying to: tim156 (Aug 25, 2009 6:11 pm)
Some manufacturers have been known to do "goodwill repairs" to vehicles just out of warranty, in cases where there's a known problem (Camry sludging, Accord transmissions). But none of these would be offered without some sort of maintenance history on the individual vehicle in question.
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- #5429 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [nvbanker]
by dmathews3
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Aug 26, 2009 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 25, 2009 4:48 pm)
So Ford is supposed to rectify your goof up. You bought a car at an auction where it is buyer beware and you screwed up. Your a dealer and I'm betting this isn't the first time you have bought other peoples junk. Fix it and get on with life. Being a dealer can't you write off your screw up when you sell it at a loss?
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- #5430 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [stephen987]
by akirby
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Aug 26, 2009 (4:54 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Aug 26, 2009 4:43 am)
Let's be honest - TSB or no TSB - it's entirely possible this transmission was damaged by the previous owner.
I think nvbanker is just angry that he got burned and once he calms down he'll realize that this really isn't Ford's fault.
Or maybe not.
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- #5431 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [stephen987]
by jeffyscott
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Aug 26, 2009 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Aug 26, 2009 4:43 am)
Some manufacturers have been known to do "goodwill repairs" to vehicles just out of warranty...
I think they all do that in certain circumstances. But I doubt it is ever done on a car that a dealer bought at auction.
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- #5432 of 5511
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Re: The message I had hoped to never write...... [jeffyscott]
by akirby
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Aug 26, 2009 (5:45 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 26, 2009 5:27 am)
And let's be precise here. Ford does not repair vehicles. They're not allowed to by law. The dealer does the repair and the dealer decides whether to submit it as a warranty claim or not and whether to ask for an AWA (after warranty adjustment). It is then Ford's prerogative whether to approve it or not. Without a dealer asking for a warranty repair or AWA Ford's hands are tied anyway.
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