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Re: Fusion vs Milan [akirby] by lilengineerboy
Jul 16, 2009 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 16, 2009 12:42 pm)

why Ford didn't do this 5+ years ago
  
Actually they did it in 1985. It was called the Merkur Scorpio. Massive failure.

 
Actually, it was the '60s Ford Cortina, then the 60's-70's Mercury Capri, then the 70's-80 Fiesta, then the "world car Escort," then the Mekur XR4ti (which could spank a BMW 318 of the same era), then the previously mentioned Merkur Scorpio. That was followed by better attempts like the ConTique (which was a failure from a commercial standpoint, but the 24v V6 with a good 5 speed was a great ride), leading up to the Focus.
 
Now it looks like the Fiesta, Focus, Fusion/Mondeo are coming and the 2 vans. Oh and in Europe they have the psuedo-wagon-sport-utility things (c-class or s-class or something). Maybe we will get a minivan out of it.
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Re: Mercury [savetheland] by akirby
Jul 17, 2009 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: savetheland (Jul 16, 2009 4:46 pm)

MKS should be new Mercury Sable and should cost less and Lincoln should be designed as a real luxury car, like RWD and not based on Taurus.
  
We've explained this over and over but somehow you just don't get it.
 
Ford's first priority is to fix Ford - Lincoln and Mercury are on the back burner. Once the Fiesta, Transit Connect, Euro Focus and Unibody explorer are here (2010/2011) THEN Ford can focus it's LIMITED resources on Lincoln which most likely WILL include a new top of the line RWD platform. If you look at what they did with the Taurus it should be obvious that they will take Lincoln even further upmarket. But you want them to do it overnight and that just can't happen.
 
I mean they spent fortunes on Jaguar and LR, so whats the problem? They can spend billions on Jaguar that does not sell and now that Jaguar is not there anymore they cannot design competitivee Lincoln?
 
That is precisely the reason they can't do it right now - they wasted all that money on Euro brands in the past. Mulally was smart to dump them - now all of the money can be spent on Ford, Lincoln and Mercury - in that order.
 
You seem to think that Ford has unlimited funds and everything they do or don't do is simply an executive decision. Ford has to pick and choose where to spend money right now and a new high end platform for Lincoln is not top of the list.
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [lilengineerboy] by jeffyscott
Jul 17, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 16, 2009 6:58 pm)

Nice history there.
 
I continue to wonder why do Ford and others think the "world car" idea is going to work now, when it has not before?
 
I don't know about the current version, but in 2006 when I test drove them I thought there were some differences in the ride felt and steering between the Fusion and Milan. I also felt the seats felt a bit different from each other. A (very) few reviews also noted some differences in ride and handling as I did, but most said they were identical.
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [jeffyscott] by stephen987
Jul 17, 2009 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 17, 2009 11:16 am)

The Fusion came standard with 16" wheels--the Milan Premier I drove last summer had 17s. Maybe that was the difference.
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [jeffyscott] by akirby
Jul 17, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 17, 2009 11:16 am)

I continue to wonder why do Ford and others think the "world car" idea is going to work now, when it has not before?
 
Because it's not the same concept. In the past vehicles were designed in Europe and then modified for the U.S. or vice versa. Now the vehicles are being designed jointly with all markets in mind and local modifications are made where necessary (e.g. having small diesel and 4 cyl petrol engines in Europe and hybrids/V6s in the states). This will work perfectly as long as they don't have to compromise the design too much. And it will greatly reduce costs. There is no reason to have a Euro and U.S. Focus on different platforms.
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Engine and CVT Tranny by dmathews3
Jul 17, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Where are the engine and tranny made for the Fusion Hybrid?
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [kev22] by trucker49
Jul 17, 2009 (9:16 pm)
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Replying to: kev22 (Jul 16, 2009 12:32 pm)

In a review of the first generation Milan/Fusion a few years ago it was noted the Milan had a little more insulation and was a tad quieter. I like the seats in the Milan better. While I know they are built on the same line I wouldn't doubt there are slight differences....the Lincoln MKZ comes down the same line too and for 10k more I can't believe the differences are just cosmetic.
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BTW.... by trucker49
Jul 17, 2009 (9:23 pm)
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Ford did mention last fall they were thinking about doing away with the Mercury line after the next model cycle and I noticed they only have 2 models available for '10 soooo a more upscale Ford and the revamped Lincoln line makes sense. No need really for Mercury although I do like em better.
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [akirby] by jeffyscott
Jul 18, 2009 (4:07 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 17, 2009 12:45 pm)

Your description sounds an awful lot like this:
 
...a "world car," a vehicle that can be made and sold globally with only small concessions to local tastes.
...Ford has given it another try, committing an eye-popping $6 billion to develop compact sedans it can sell anywhere. The results, known elsewhere as the Mondeo, are the Ford Contour and the Mercury Mystique.

 
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/30/automobiles/behind-the-wheel-1995-ford-contour- -a-small-world-car-after-all.html
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Re: Fusion vs Milan [trucker49] by dmathews3
Jul 18, 2009 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: trucker49 (Jul 17, 2009 9:16 pm)

I think the orginal posters question was if one or the other car had better quality and I'm the one who answered that they both are built by the same people on the same assembley line. Of course the cosmetics could be different between models but the quality should be the same. They only give the person on the line so many seconds to do his/her job. They don't say this is a Lincoln you get an extra 30 sec. to complete the work. For example whether a Ford/Merc/Lincoln the bucket seat is bolted to the floor with 4 bolts so the person gets the same amount of time to install the seat no matter which car it is or maybe even a little less on the Lincoln because I'm guessing with all the power there could be more harnesses to connect. But the next car may be a manual seat with no harnesses so he makes up for the extra time on the Lincoln with the cheaper seat in the Ford.

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