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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [xmech] by baggs32
Feb 13, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: xmech (Feb 12, 2009 10:14 pm)

OK, a nice bunch of pages on Ford's website, but they still don't have a V6 MPG figure yet?
 
Complain to the EPA about that one. Ford has their numbers for sure but only the EPA numbers get put on the window stickers and it's up to them to get those numbers to Ford.
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [xmech] by coldcranker
Feb 13, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: xmech (Feb 12, 2009 10:14 pm)

xmech said "I'm suprised how the 2010 Taurus almost came out of nowhere, already has a date when you can test drive them (Buy 'em?), and seemingly the facts and figures like MPG are available."
 
Came out of nowhere? Its just got different sheetmetal compared to the 2005 through 2009 Ford 500/Taurus, so its not that new of a car for Ford to bring out. The drivetrain has been out there for about 3 years, too. Comparatively, the 3.0L V6 in the 2010 Ford Fusion has had some semi-major engineering changes, so there is a lot new there. And its a 2010 model, theoretically, and its only Feb. 2009, so maybe a little patience? Still, the 2010 Fusion Hybrid is going to be sold in about a month, not that long to wait.
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [baggs32] by jeffyscott
Feb 13, 2009 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 13, 2009 9:18 am)

Are you sure? According to EPA, it is the manfuacturer that gives the numbers to them:
 
Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles—usually pre-production prototypes—and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 10-15 percent of them through their own tests
 
http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [coldcranker] by akirby
Feb 13, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Feb 13, 2009 10:05 am)

Its just got different sheetmetal compared to the 2005 through 2009 Ford 500/Taurus, so its not that new of a car for Ford to bring out.
 
Are you serious??? It's got different EVERYTHING except the base drivetrain. Totally new interior and exterior AND a 365 hp SHO version. It's basically a new car (for once). It's closer to the MKS than the old Taurus.
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [akirby] by savetheland
Feb 13, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 13, 2009 2:05 pm)

It is inteesting when Camry or Accord come with "just new sheetmetal" (and they usually do) everybody crows how Toyota and Honda create brand new car every 4 year. And when Ford does the same it is the same car with "just new sheetmetal".
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [akirby] by berri
Feb 13, 2009 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 13, 2009 2:05 pm)

I believe both the Taurus and Fusion have significant changes from engines to suspensions to sound deadening and glass. I expect they will both be much stronger and improved competitors in their respective classes.
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [jeffyscott] by baggs32
Feb 13, 2009 (8:33 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Feb 13, 2009 11:26 am)

Are you sure? According to EPA, it is the manfuacturer that gives the numbers to them
 
Yes, I'm 99% sure. This page tells you that the mfr does not test every vehicle but the EPA does. The page you posted is therefore telling us that the mfr does submit what tests they do perform and the EPA still tests them too only verifying 10-15% of them which means they do not verify the other 85-90% of them and just posts their own results on their site and on the window stickers.
 
It doesn't say anywhere on their site why they do the verification. My guess is that they do it to police the mfrs testing methods and results.
 
For example, Ford's initial FE release on the Fusion Hybrid stated something like 38 or 39 MPG city. The EPA says 41 MPG city and that's what will be on the window stickers.
 
I could be misinterpreting this so any insight is welcome.
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Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [berri] by baggs32
Feb 13, 2009 (8:42 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Feb 13, 2009 5:58 pm)

I believe both the Taurus and Fusion have significant changes from engines to suspensions to sound deadening and glass. I expect they will both be much stronger and improved competitors in their respective classes.
 
Not to mention the huge interior improvements. The Taurus interior is now darn near that of its sister the Lincoln MKS. Then there's the Taurus SHO which will use a more powerful version of the EB 3.5L TT that will go in other Ford and Lincoln vehicles.
 
I just saw both, Fusion Hybrid and Sport and Taurus Limited, in person at the Pittsburgh Auto Show yesterday and both were pretty impressive. The Taurus blew me away. Pictures don't do it justice. Unfortunately the Fusion Sport and Taurus Limited were on turntables so it was hard to get a great look at them. The FFH was on the floor, but locked, and it looked great inside and out. I'd buy either one but the Flex won my heart that night.
 
Young people were admiring the Taurus though and I heard many positive comments on it. Maybe Ford is on to something here?
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Ford will rebound by cannon3
Feb 15, 2009 (3:17 pm)
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As a car buff for 30+ years, along with surfing this wonderful internet. I am going to make a bold prediction. Ford will regain its #2 spot for U.S. sales in 5 years. Taurus, Fusion, F series, to name a few vehicles are really turning heads in this industry. Ford is listening to the consumer and is giving consumers what they want. The soon to be released Fiesta, and the 2010 Focus are also going to be big winners for Ford here in the U.S. Ford is still small enough to turn its ship around and become profitable and a potent car manufacture.
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Re: Ford will rebound [cannon3] by thegraduate
Feb 15, 2009 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: cannon3 (Feb 15, 2009 3:17 pm)

I, for one, truly hope Ford succeeds, but remember that the other automakers won't be exactly resting on their laurels.

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