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#5193 of 5819 Re: New Fusion chassis in 2012 [coldcranker] by baggs32

Jan 26, 2009 (11:03 am)

Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 24, 2009 3:07 pm)
I've always been amazed that a Fusion CD3 Mazda6 platform can be used on the 4,400 lb Ford Edge, whereas the Fusion weighs 1,000 lbs less.
 
I think you pulled the weights from two bad examples. Ford's site says a 2008 Fusion SE FWD V6 weighs 3280 lbs while a 2008 Edge SE FWD weighs 4078 lbs. That's still a difference of 800 lbs but a lot of it is due to extra sheet metal, the aforementioned structural reinforcements/additions, more glass, more sound deadening materials, slightly heavier engine, larger wheels, etc.
 
I'm guessing the 2010 Fusion will be a little heavier since it will have more sound deadening materials and some other enhancements that seem likely to add a small amount of weight.

#5194 of 5819 Re: New Fusion chassis in 2012 [baggs32] by coldcranker

Jan 27, 2009 (9:31 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 26, 2009 11:03 am)
baggs32, Yes I know that the weight diff between an Edge and a Fusion is because the Edge is bigger. .. My point is: Ford uses a platform really meant for a 3300 lb vehicle on a 4000+ lb vehicle, and I was wondering exactly what Ford has to do to keep the chassis stresses under control. Thats like you or I putting on a 100 lb backpack with our same knees, back, and ankles. Thats a lot of extra weight to carry around, so something has to give, but what components specifically.

#5195 of 5819 Re: New Fusion chassis in 2012 [coldcranker] by baggs32

Jan 27, 2009 (10:28 am)

Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 27, 2009 9:31 am)
My point is: Ford uses a platform really meant for a 3300 lb vehicle on a 4000+ lb vehicle, and I was wondering exactly what Ford has to do to keep the chassis stresses under control.
 
They modify it. I'm not sure it can be put any other way than that. Honda made the Pilot out of the Accord and Odyssey, Toyota made the Highlander and Sienna out of the Camry, Mazda made the CX-9 out of the Mazda6. It's not like they dropped the body of the Edge on top of the Mazda6 chassis and crossed their fingers that it would hold up. They do add structural reinforcements and bend a bunch of the chassis components to make it all work. The Edge chassis is based on, and loosely I'd wager, the Mazda6 chassis. It's not using the Mazda6 chassis intact.
 
I'm not sure anyone short of a Ford engineer can tell you exactly what had to be modified to make it work for the Edge.

#5196 of 5819 Re: New Fusion chassis in 2012 [baggs32] by coldcranker

Feb 05, 2009 (9:33 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 27, 2009 10:28 am)
baggs32, Or just looking underneath the two vehicles would be nice. No huge effort there, no engineering degree required. What parts are bigger? I do agree with you that its a very loose re-use of the Fusion chassis on an Edge.

#5197 of 5819 2010 Fusion, when? by xmech

Feb 12, 2009 (11:14 pm)

I'm suprised how the 2010 Taurus almost came out of nowhere, already has a date when you can test drive them (Buy 'em?), and seemingly the facts and figures like MPG are available. So what happened to the 2010 Fusion? Lots of hype about the hybrid and I-4 MPG, and a few rumors about when we may see them in the showrooms, but that's about it. (OK, a nice bunch of pages on Ford's website, but they still don't have a V6 MPG figure yet? I heard they're already running the assembly line in Mexico for them.) Did I miss something? Are they having issues?
 
I'm still not ready to jump into buying one, but just waiting on the news.

#5198 of 5819 Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [xmech] by akirby

Feb 13, 2009 (7:33 am)

Replying to: xmech (Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm)
They're in production now but they have to go through a rigorous new launch procedure where they build flawless vehicles for 5 straight days. One problem and they start all over. Production was initially scheduled to begin in December but got pushed back to clear out the excess 2009 models.

#5199 of 5819 Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [xmech] by baggs32

Feb 13, 2009 (10:18 am)

Replying to: xmech (Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm)
OK, a nice bunch of pages on Ford's website, but they still don't have a V6 MPG figure yet?
 
Complain to the EPA about that one. Ford has their numbers for sure but only the EPA numbers get put on the window stickers and it's up to them to get those numbers to Ford.

#5200 of 5819 Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [xmech] by coldcranker

Feb 13, 2009 (11:05 am)

Replying to: xmech (Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm)
xmech said "I'm suprised how the 2010 Taurus almost came out of nowhere, already has a date when you can test drive them (Buy 'em?), and seemingly the facts and figures like MPG are available."
 
Came out of nowhere? Its just got different sheetmetal compared to the 2005 through 2009 Ford 500/Taurus, so its not that new of a car for Ford to bring out. The drivetrain has been out there for about 3 years, too. Comparatively, the 3.0L V6 in the 2010 Ford Fusion has had some semi-major engineering changes, so there is a lot new there. And its a 2010 model, theoretically, and its only Feb. 2009, so maybe a little patience? Still, the 2010 Fusion Hybrid is going to be sold in about a month, not that long to wait.

#5201 of 5819 Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [baggs32] by jeffyscott

Feb 13, 2009 (12:26 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 13, 2009 10:18 am)
Are you sure? According to EPA, it is the manfuacturer that gives the numbers to them:
 
Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles—usually pre-production prototypes—and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 10-15 percent of them through their own tests
 
http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

#5202 of 5819 Re: 2010 Fusion, when? [coldcranker] by akirby

Feb 13, 2009 (3:05 pm)

Replying to: coldcranker (Feb 13, 2009 11:05 am)
Its just got different sheetmetal compared to the 2005 through 2009 Ford 500/Taurus, so its not that new of a car for Ford to bring out.
 
Are you serious??? It's got different EVERYTHING except the base drivetrain. Totally new interior and exterior AND a 365 hp SHO version. It's basically a new car (for once). It's closer to the MKS than the old Taurus.

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