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Replying to: akirby (Jun 10, 2008 4:15 am) 2.5l I4 2.5l EB 3.0l V6 (240hp) ST: 3.5l V6 Hybrid It seems to me that the 2.5L EB and D30 PIP would overlap in power with the former getting better fuel econ. That raises the question of one of them actually being planned IMO. But he was confident that all of them will be available (whether at launch or not we don't know) and he's been right on most of the time.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 10, 2008 8:41 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 10, 2008 10:08 am) I realize that and that's why I, like you, said that the timing was not ever verified. If the EB does in fact make it into the '10 Fusion I would guess it would arrive for JOB2 which should be well after the MKS gets it. The Taurus and Flex will most likely get the EB V6 like the MKS. The Fusion is said to be getting the EB I4 which could mean it's getting that before the Taurus and Flex get theirs. Why would they roll out 3 EB V6 models before even rolling out one I4? The I4 will be as powerful as a D35 V6 but get much better gas mileage. It would make sense to get the I4 going in something ASAP given gas prices these days. If it was ready now then we'd be hearing about it like we're hearing about the 3.5L EB. Wrong, wrong, wrong (to use your words). They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former?
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 11, 2008 10:36 am) You have to remember that they've been working on these for several years and gas prices just shot up recently. The EB 3.5L is filling a hole in the engine lineup for the D3 vehicles - there is no other option for 300+ hp. While the EB 2.5L would yield better mileage, they already have a 240 hp and 265 hp V6 engine available, so there isn't a hole in the lineup, just a more efficient option. They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former? But that's exactly what they did when they announced the EB 3.5L 18 months ago. Everyone knows the EB 3.5L is coming next year for the MKS and Taurus. I just think they have limited resources and the EB 2.5L was not a priority previously for the reasons above. I'm sure they're looking at moving it up now based on current situation but it won't happen overnight. Maybe we'll see it later next year but I'd be very surprised if we see it on the 2010 Fusion.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 11, 2008 11:22 am) Not quite. The EB line wasn't announced to the public until about 6-8 months ago and we didn't know what vehicles the 3.5L was going into first until that time either. I have a feeling we're going to hear something about the EB 2.5L in L.A. when the 2010 Fusion is revealed. I agree that we probably won't see it in the Fusion at launch but it could probably work its way in mid-MY IMO.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 12, 2008 8:30 am) It was announced in July of last year that the MKS would definitely get the TwinForce 3.5L engine instead of the 4.4L V8. The name was changed to EcoBoost a few months later. We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 12, 2008 11:33 am) And that was 18 months ago?  Showing it in a concept car with a different name and confirming it in a production car are two completely different things. We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon. I agree up to the comma.  However I think they'll work faster to get it out given the current market. They need to offer something that Honda, Toyota, Chevy, and Nissan don't have to sell more Fusions IMO. V6 power with I4 fuel efficiency with a small price premium, if any, (my assumption) would be just that. Especially if the EB motors live up to the promises.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 12, 2008 1:11 pm) No but it's longer than 6-8 months like you originally said. I thought it was in the MKS concept back in Jan. 2007 but it wasn't. If they were going to do the EB 2.5L then they wouldn't need the PIP 3.0L. I just don't think the EB 2.5L will be available for at least 12-18 months.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 13, 2008 5:05 am) At least I was closer!  I'm not sure where you're coming up with July either as I've only been able to find the announcement from the L.A. show in November of '07. That includes the Ford media site. I'm always on the lookout for some good insider info.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 13, 2008 8:25 am) http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/ford/ford-twinforce-to-debut-in-2009-lincoln-- mks/
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