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#4878 of 5511 Re: 6-Speed "Low" Gear Selection [jeffyscott] by driverdm May 28, 2007 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Mar 12, 2007 5:27 am) "The truth is, with all these fancy transmissions that makers are coming out with (auto stick,auto shift ect) The truth of the matter is 95% of drivers use D, R and P the most... "   Truth is, it doesn't matter what is used. It doesn't matter what is logical. It doesn't matter if it is completely superflous and ridiculous. All that matters it that it is an advantage to be exploited by the competition and that some customers are viewing the current D-L as inferior to the manu-shift, even though they won't use it. This is a business situation that the domestics have continually screwed up on. You don't tell the public what makes sense, the public tells you their nonense and you make it happen. That is how you stay in business. Is there a reason for an eight speed tranny, or sedans with 300+ horse? Logically and statistacally there is not. But in a business, the logical and statistical matter very little. Replies to this message: jeffyscott (May 29, 2007 4:23 am)
#4879 of 5511 Re: Comparison of Milan to Fusion [akirby] by jeffyscott May 29, 2007 (4:20 am)
Replying to: akirby (May 28, 2007 7:07 pm) As for Consumer Reports - you have to take all of their statistics with a grain of salt because they only survey subscribers so it's not exactly a scientific sample.   This is true and the ratings given by self-selected samples on websites, like this one, are certainly not statistically valid, either.
#4880 of 5511 Re: 6-Speed "Low" Gear Selection [driverdm] by jeffyscott May 29, 2007 (4:23 am)
Replying to: driverdm (May 28, 2007 9:42 pm) I was quoting someone else there, I think Ford is foolish to not put the manually selectable transmission in the Fusion. Especially if the difference in cost is $50 as a comparison of Mazda6 to Fusion pricing implies.
#4881 of 5511 Manumatics by mschmal May 29, 2007 (11:22 am)
I have Nissans and Fords at my lot. Just about every fifth test drive in a Nissan the customer puts the trans into manual mode on the test drive and wonders why the cvt doesn't adjust.   I have to go into a whole long speal about what the manumatic mode is, etc.   The universal response is "why would anyone want that"   To date, I have yet to be told by a customer that they were less likely to purchase a Ford because of the lack of a manumatic.   I have a 2007 Fusion SE black on black 5 speed manual trans on my lot and its collecting dust.   Mark. Replies to this message: akirby (May 29, 2007 12:09 pm) dino001 (May 29, 2007 12:14 pm) lmp180psu (May 29, 2007 2:41 pm)
#4882 of 5511 Re: Manumatics [mschmal] by akirby May 29, 2007 (12:09 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (May 29, 2007 11:22 am) That's because the small number of drivers who want one already know it doesn't have one and would never show up in the first place.   It's not so much about actual sales - it's more about the image that gets portrayed, especially in comparison tests.
#4883 of 5511 Re: Manumatics [mschmal] by dino001 May 29, 2007 (12:14 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (May 29, 2007 11:22 am) You are probably correct - for a proper price difference people would take anything that is not essential to their well-being, or what they perceive it to be. Just a few years ago a side-impact airbag or ESC were considered by most as unnecessary gadgets that were making a family car too expensive. Today everybody has them standard or available for a decent price - surely not for goodness of their hearts.   Manumatic autos vs. non-manumatics are like 30-speed bikes vs. 12- or even 16-speeds. Both will take you wherever you want to and comfort is similar. There is no reason an average cycylist would ever need 30 speeds. And people know it, so for a while an 16-speed will sell OK.   Yet - if the price difference is none and enough of competitors sell 30 speeds, the time may come 16-speed will die off or market will split into segments with very cheap 12-speeds and nice 30-speeds. Does Fusion want to stay with the latter one or is content to mop as a bottom-feeder - that is a proper question. Replies to this message: lmp180psu (May 29, 2007 2:41 pm)
#4884 of 5511 Re: Manumatics [dino001] by lmp180psu May 29, 2007 (2:41 pm)
Replying to: dino001 (May 29, 2007 12:14 pm) Good comparison between the transmissions and the bikes. The Accord doesn't have a manumatic either, and it is a 5 spped auto vs. 6 speed for the Fusion/Milan, so it has an advantage there anyway. Of course the Fusion especially is supposed to be a sportier alternative to Camcords. I have a 5 speed manumatic autoon my Mazda3 hatchback, and I rarely use the manumatic function, so I don't think the lack of one would totally dismiss a car for me. I have been thinking of getting into a car that is a bit more 'comfortable' but with a sporty edge, with some V6 power, and the Fusion looks very nice.
#4885 of 5511 bike comparision is flat. by mschmal Jun 01, 2007 (11:46 am)
Even if there is potentionally 18 speeds, not all of the combinations are usuable without the danger of stretching the chain.   a 30 speed bike I assume has 3 gears on the crank and 10 at the rear wheel. That would only giveyou about 10 usuable combos though.   Mark. Replies to this message: jeffyscott (Jun 01, 2007 3:35 pm)
#4886 of 5511 Re: bike comparision is flat. [mschmal] by jeffyscott Jun 01, 2007 (3:35 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (Jun 01, 2007 11:46 am) I don't know whether they are all usable or not, but on a bike some combinations will give you essentially the same ratio as others. I recall from ancient times that on a typical 10 speed, it used to be you would usually have maybe 6-7 significantly different gear ratios.
#4887 of 5511 3.5L V6 in '08? by chm1chm1 Jun 03, 2007 (12:31 pm)
Does anyone know whether a 3.5L V6 is expected for the '08 Fusion and/or '08 Milan? Replies to this message: akirby (Jun 03, 2007 6:47 pm) jaxs1 (Jun 03, 2007 6:54 pm) akirby (Jun 04, 2007 6:06 am)

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