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#4676 of 5819 Re: A: [ANT14] by savetheland

Dec 28, 2006 (4:20 pm)

Replying to: ANT14 (Dec 28, 2006 12:21 am)
"The Taurus has a different layout (radio and A/C and everything else) than that of the Fusion or F-150. Plus, the F-150 was last redesigned in 2004, and the Fusion in 2006. Yes, the new Camry will be better since it's a newly introduced vehicle."
 
Yet 2006 Fusion uses 2004 F-150 center console. It is thing that customer notices and touches all the time and how stupid should be Ford management to save pennies on things so critical for customers. This center panel is on every Ford product. Center console in my 2003 Ford Focus is better than in Fusion. Why not to use the same center console from European Mondeo? Mazda can come up with convinient and stylish console, why Ford cannot?

#4677 of 5819 A: by ANT14

Dec 28, 2006 (4:34 pm)

Those are the drop in units that will be fading away shortly. It worked on the F-150, on the 500, Mtg, FS, FStar, Mustang, etc. Thats HOW you did things, that's what most manufacturer's do. Now the industry is going towards using same unit mountings, cept the material overlay differs giving each vehicle a dashboard identity of their own.
 
And like anything else, the negative is that when people wish to upgrade their headunit...they simply won't, can't, won't bother, maybe not possible, or use some cheesy aftermarket panel to retrofit it.
 
You can't please everyone...

#4678 of 5819 Re: A: [ANT14] by savetheland

Dec 28, 2006 (6:32 pm)

Replying to: ANT14 (Dec 28, 2006 4:34 pm)
You are right they do. But Toyota, Honda, Mazda and even GM put stylish units that please customers. I understand that Lexus and Toyota, or Caddy and Saturn use the same units, but they are good looking and easy to use units. Ford’s standard unit irritates more than help and design and materials, even in Lincoln – feel cheapo. I saw Mariner and Escape are using new design, but did not check yet.
 
Actually center panel was one thing that irritated me in new Mustang. Another thing is shifter – feels flimsy and not easy to use. And also solid rear axles does not help handling so cannot call Mustang real sport car. Mustang is a solid and well-designed car. But some things need improvement.

#4679 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [hercules00] by scape2

Dec 28, 2006 (7:17 pm)

Replying to: hercules00 (Dec 28, 2006 12:23 am)
Boy, those Camry owners are going to be peeved when in 5 years the Fusion/Milan prove to be just as reliable and well built but selling for a whole lot less$$. What do you think is going to happen then?
As far as driving better, the Fusion feels much better and more confident to me than the Camry did when I test drove. Also, someone posted actual noise levels inside the cabin of the Accord/Camry/Fusion/Sonata. These noise measureing devices don't lie. Fusion is not as noisy as you percieve..
I guess it all comes down to asking yourself is the $2-$4,000 dollar difference really worth it when comparing a Camry/Accord tot the Fusion/Milan? For me, no-way.. That is why I have a shiney new Fusion SEL v6 in silver frost sitting in my garage..

#4680 of 5819 Re: Price Comparison [cowbell] by scape2

Dec 28, 2006 (7:19 pm)

Replying to: cowbell (Dec 28, 2006 7:01 am)
The Accords 23HP gives it about a .4-.6 second advantage over the Fusion depending on what site you want to believe on the internet...

#4681 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [scape2] by hercules00

Dec 28, 2006 (11:34 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (Dec 28, 2006 7:17 pm)
I guess it all comes down to asking yourself is the $2-$4,000 dollar difference really worth it when comparing a Camry/Accord tot the Fusion/Milan? For me, no-way.. That is why I have a shiney new Fusion SEL v6 in silver frost sitting in my garage..
 
I think that pretty much sums it up. And as a car lover, I do always wish that Ford/Gm etc come up with awesome cars to keep Toyota and Honda from becoming pricey. I have seen some seriously disgusting behavior from Honda as well as Toyota dealers. The fun of a free market is when everyone is competing and no one or two people are unfairly dominating.
 
Having said that, though. I still think Ford/GM/Chrysler have a looooong way to go. My flatmate has a Chrysler 300 and inspite of the good looks and power, the interior looks seriously trashy with really cheapo plastics.
 
I dont care much either about the Fusion or the Camry btw (except for the fact that I will still prefer the Camry and Accord over the Fusion for my rental trips). I am not planning to buy either in the near future. That honor will go to either the redesigned G35 coupe or the 335coupe, depending on how nice the first one comes out

#4682 of 5819 Confused. by mschmal

Dec 29, 2006 (5:42 am)

How can you say this:

 is the same as this F-150:
 

 
Yes the radio is the same and the HVAC controls are the same but that seems like it to me. (The Fusion shown has EACT but if it didn't, it would have the same HVAC as the F-150.
 
This is a Camary:

 
My problem with the Fusion and Mustang that I own is that I wish the radio, HVAC controls (which are basically the same in both cars) were mounted higher so as to be out of the way of the shifter, especially on the Mustang which is stick. They did this with the Edge, but I'm conflicted because I think the Fusion center stack looks better.
 
Here is the Edge so you know what I mean. Moving the vents to the sides allowed them to put things up higher:

 
I do like the new Shifter though. If you really want to know where some of the interior bits on the Fusion came from, look to the 1998 Mazda 626, cause that is where that shifter came from.
 
As for the controls in all Fords being the same, thats the point. Why should someone who decides to own a second Ford vehicle, be punished by having to learn to work a second interior? I hope Ford continues to do this.
 
Two comments about the Toyota. Those smooth round climate control knobs give you no feed back about how they are pointed from touch. The Ford knobs you turn the long knob which then points to the setting so you don't need to actually take your eyes off the road to know what it is set too.
 
Second, all of that "satin alum." plastic in the Camary will look like ass in about two years. The stuff is very very easy to scratch. Don't believe me, go look at a preowned Mazda6. Probably why Mazda used tons of that plastic in the Mazda 6 and Ford did not use any in the Fusion. Incidently, the Alum you see around the radio on the Edge is metal, not plastic.
 
Notice with the Fusion you get repeat audio controls on the wheel? Where are they on the Camary? Also, you don't have to Navigate through that annoying shift gate on the ATX with the Fusion. Anyone know if the Camary has an MP3 input jack? The F-150, Fusion and Edge do, standard.
 
Mark.

#4683 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [scape2] by midwesttrader

Dec 29, 2006 (9:15 am)

Replying to: scape2 (Dec 28, 2006 7:17 pm)
Boy, those Camry owners are going to be peeved when in 5 years the Fusion/Milan prove to be just as reliable and well built but selling for a whole lot less$$. What do you think is going to happen then?
 
People will still be buying the Camry in multiples of what the Fusion sells, and Toyota will continue to profit nicely from each sale. Ford, not so sure what its future holds.
 
I guess it all comes down to asking yourself is the $2-$4,000 dollar difference really worth it when comparing a Camry/Accord tot the Fusion/Milan? For me, no-way..
 
scape, please stop with your media campaign to convince us that we all paid too much for our cars. It has not, can not, and will not work. We all like our rides for various attributes. Choice is good. Competition is good. Why can't you leave it at that and move on?

#4684 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [midwesttrader] by scape2

Dec 29, 2006 (2:59 pm)

Replying to: midwesttrader (Dec 29, 2006 9:15 am)
"scape, please stop with your media campaign to convince us that we all paid too much for our cars. It has not, can not, and will not work. We all like our rides for various attributes. Choice is good. Competition is good. Why can't you leave it at that and move on? "
 
I guess for the same reason you can't stop preaching that Toyota will forever dominate the car/truck market, never to be toppled, never to have any problems with any of their vehicles they produce.. so.. were even..

#4685 of 5819 Just a Sidenote by ANT14

Dec 29, 2006 (8:23 pm)

Toyota has admitted in the past, (and I've posted this link on probably the 500/MTG forum I believe) that it makes little, if no profit on each Camry sold. Their point is, that if they have a good experience with that vehicle, that they owner will trade-up to another vehicle (say 4Runner, Sienna) etc, which costs more and has a higher profit margin.
 
Just as GM sold Cavaliers for years at a overe $800 per unit loss, just to gain or work-around C.A.F.E. credits.

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