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#4667 of 5819 A: by ANT14

Dec 28, 2006 (12:21 am)

"If you have seen the center console in the Fusion (and the Taurus) and also seen the center console in the new Camry, for example, and would still in some way like to justify the former by quoting sales statistics of trucks, may all your future cars come with the same interior."
 
The Taurus has a different layout (radio and A/C and everything else) than that of the Fusion or F-150. Plus, the F-150 was last redesigned in 2004, and the Fusion in 2006. Yes, the new Camry will be better since it's a newly introduced vehicle. Usually when a vehicle is redesigned, it tries to better the competition one up. When the Fusion gets it's next redesign, then I'm sure it'll aim to the top for it's segment, AT THAT time.
 
As it was, I'm reporting the information for 2006. But when the 2007 awards are given, I'll post the info as usual. AIC Link
 
But to say Ford trucks have crappy interiors is absurd and a malinformed statement.

#4668 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [jeffyscott] by hercules00

Dec 28, 2006 (12:23 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 27, 2006 8:50 pm)
Okay, so I guess we can tell CR and the Feds to stop bothering to test gas mileage. From now on they can just save their money and contact you for the "correct" numbers.
 
No. Mileage patterns depend highly on driving style. And it has also been observed on Edmunds roadtests many many times that the actual mileage obtained is way off the stated mileage, many time highway/city combined coming was off even city mileage (mostly lower).
 
I very clearly quoted what I noticed on the same roads amongst many cars something called 'real world mileage' and just in case you didnt know, every car forum has a thread on this topic, including this one. So obviously, consumers notice a difference.
 
Where did you get your depreciation percentages from?
 
A little more attention to my post would show you the clear method and math I used to get to those percentages.
 
What do you mean $2700 more than a Fusion??, Camry is like $4,000 more for a like optioned Fusion SEL V6 loaded...
 
Clearly people as well as professional auto journalists beliieve that a Camry XLE V6 (which amongst many other things smokes out a Fusion SEL V6 while giving more mileage) is better than the Fusion. Also post depreciation the gap is somewhat closer to $2.5k.
 
Also, I believe is price is the only criteria, the Sonata is a much better deal than the Fusion.
 
Anyways, what is the 'extra' that the Camry worth to you? Obviously less than what it is worth to me. Hence I will still claim the Camry is better, while you are free to claim otherwise.
 
Clearly the Camry charges a premium and people are paying the premium for a reason (whatever that may be) while Ford had to offer discounts on a brand new car.
 
And also clearly, for some people the price differential is sufficient to sway them in the direction of the Fusion.
 
Nothing wrong with either thing. Everything can sell at a certain price.

#4669 of 5819 Price Comparison by cowbell

Dec 28, 2006 (7:01 am)

There is a site that easily compares the Accord and the Fusion. It's Truedelta.com.
 
It will compare the price of two cars, matching them feature for feature. Matched feature for feature, the Fusion comes out to 2458 less when bare minimum features are matched, and 2634 when the cars are loaded, but matched.
 
These prices include any rebates. But of course some things can't be perfectly matched. The Accord has 23 more HP, but the Fusion has a 6 speed transmission (vs. the Accord's 5) as well as AWD.

#4670 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [hercules00] by jeffyscott

Dec 28, 2006 (7:28 am)

Replying to: hercules00 (Dec 28, 2006 12:23 am)
Yes mileage will vary. That is why when comparing, one ought to use figures from a consistent and reliable source. You will probably not get the same mileage as the sources, but the relative differences over the long term will likely be similar.
 
The last long trip we went on the calculated mileage, in a single vehicle varied from tank to tank by about 4-5 mpg. This was despite it all being pretty much consistent freeway driving at fairly consistent speeds (the high and low figures both occurred during stretches that were all freeway). Some of the variation could certainly be due to some pumps filling the tank fuller than others, etc. but, in any case, the measured mpg can vary quite a bit even with the same driver and car.
 
Sonata pricing is pretty similar to the Fusion, actually.

#4671 of 5819 My last Fusion comment by jodar96

Dec 28, 2006 (10:01 am)

I got on this site because I drove a Fusion for 4-5 days. My last comment is that Honda/Toyota are very good at controlling NVH. I don't care what numbers say, Honda Accord and Toyota Camry are some of smoothest cars out there. The FEEL/Drive of these cars are unmatched.
 
Also if you look hard enough, you could get an Accord for about $2000 off sticker, not all dealers will do it, but you will find some that will. Toyota/Honda do not like to talk about discounts/rebates, but dealers will do whatever it takes to sell cars.
 
I was in Japan for three weeks last year. I saw so many different style Toyotas. Everey day I would see ANOTHER Toyota model that I had not seen before. I realized that these people are truley master of flexibility that can build so many versions with little volume at a time and switch to another style.
 
Good luck with your Fusions, and I hope all remain reliable for years to come. Reliability (Not the good loooks) is the key to repeat customers and good resale value.
 
Joe

#4672 of 5819 Re: Price Comparison [cowbell] by hercules00

Dec 28, 2006 (10:53 am)

Replying to: cowbell (Dec 28, 2006 7:01 am)
There is a site that easily compares the Accord and the Fusion. It's Truedelta.com.
 
I compared the Accord SE and Fusion SE by adding DRL, ABS, the 6cd changer and AT/x to the Fusion. Given the specs on the website, thats the closest you can get. Also, the TMV price better reflects the actual selling price.
 
And thanks for using the website of the internet's self proclaimed (and self promoted) auto expert and Detroit apologist Michael Karesh. I wish you would stick to tried and tested and fair sites like Edmunds instead of running off to crazy places.

#4673 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [jeffyscott] by hercules00

Dec 28, 2006 (11:00 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 28, 2006 7:28 am)
The last long trip we went on the calculated mileage, in a single vehicle varied from tank to tank by about 4-5 mpg.
 
I actually always hit the same mileage within a range of mpg in my car when driving around similar areas. Also, this was not a single trip mileage but an average of about 3 trips in this car and each time, the numbers were really close.
 
Sonata pricing is pretty similar to the Fusion, actually.
 
Actually no. I just helped a friend get a V6 Sonata for $17.3k (after tax and registration). You dont even get an I4 Fusion SE for that much. If we start considering discounts, then the Sonata has much more. Also, they do stand behind their product with 5yr bumper to bumper, 7 year tranny and 5 yr roadside.
 
Oh, and it also has ABS (optional on Fusion) and stability control (not available on Fusion) standard. Given all that, the Fusion hardly even compares!

#4674 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [hercules00] by jeffyscott

Dec 28, 2006 (12:22 pm)

Replying to: hercules00 (Dec 28, 2006 11:00 am)
So what happened to the TMV that you were just so hot on using for comparisons...
 
Rather than relying on anecdotes, I have looked at invoice less rebate prices for 2007 models (I know I could buy either of these at invoice quite easily). V6 Sonata invoice starts at $19,071, while V6 Fusion starts at $18,947. Both prices are after deducting $1000 rebate that is available to anyone (Sonata has additional owner loyalty rebate, but I did not include this).
 
In addition, Ford has discount financing and after checking elswhere it seems that you do get keep the $1000 rebate, even if you take this financing.
 
Depending on what features are important to you, and assuming you like the type of ride/handling that the Sonata gives you, and are comfortable with the seats and non-telescoping wheel in the Sonata, it can be probably be a better buy than the Fusion.
 
In the case of Honda/Toyota, when looking at selling prices it actually would be the Civic and Corolla that would be more comparable to the Fusion.

#4675 of 5819 Re: 2007 Fusion [hercules00] by evandro

Dec 28, 2006 (1:51 pm)

Replying to: hercules00 (Dec 28, 2006 11:00 am)
The temperature must also be considered as a variable. At 100F the air density is the same as at 6000ft at 50F and a normally aspirated engine loses about 3% of power for every 1000ft in altitude. Therefore, bar different fuel blends for winter, the engine loses about 20% of power between winter and summer.
 
HTH

#4676 of 5819 Re: A: [ANT14] by savetheland

Dec 28, 2006 (4:20 pm)

Replying to: ANT14 (Dec 28, 2006 12:21 am)
"The Taurus has a different layout (radio and A/C and everything else) than that of the Fusion or F-150. Plus, the F-150 was last redesigned in 2004, and the Fusion in 2006. Yes, the new Camry will be better since it's a newly introduced vehicle."
 
Yet 2006 Fusion uses 2004 F-150 center console. It is thing that customer notices and touches all the time and how stupid should be Ford management to save pennies on things so critical for customers. This center panel is on every Ford product. Center console in my 2003 Ford Focus is better than in Fusion. Why not to use the same center console from European Mondeo? Mazda can come up with convinient and stylish console, why Ford cannot?

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