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Re: Fusion Value [dino001] by bitusa
Mar 13, 2006 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Mar 13, 2006 1:07 pm)

"Do you REALLY think they were requested and IIHS denied the request? NO. EITHER Ford's management was TOO STUPID to realize need of such move or TOO STINGY to fork money for the alternate test."
 
These statements really cleared this up for me. Didn't know you had "inside information".
 
Does anyone have "real" facts?
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Re: Fusion Value [bitusa] by mz6greyghost
Mar 13, 2006 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: bitusa (Mar 13, 2006 1:24 pm)

Does anyone have "real" facts?
 
Check this article out:
 
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr030506.html
 
Basically, it says that Ford initially denied doing a retest with the side airbags, but now have changed their mind, and a model with the side airbags will be tested by IIHS.
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Re: Fusion Value [bitusa] by dino001
Mar 13, 2006 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: bitusa (Mar 13, 2006 1:24 pm)

I don't need to have insider info, just simple "0-1" logic:
KNOWN FACTS:
1. As a policy IIHS does test in "base configuration" for free.
2. IIHS provides opportunity for testing optional safety equipment for a fee.
3. Ford did not submit an optional car for a test (if they had, it would have been tested).
 
CONCLUSION:
Ford did not see a need of submitting a vehicle with optional safety equipment (again, if they had, they would have). The may now, but at the time of tests, they did not.
 
SPECULATION:
Ford did not see a need for optionally equipped vehicle test either because they thought it was not important for their brand image (STUPID) or they thought it was not cost-effective for their image (STUPID AND STINGY).
 
If you can't follow this logic, I can't help you anymore. Lets move on.
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Re: Fusion Value [volk1] by booyahcramer
Mar 13, 2006 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: volk1 (Mar 13, 2006 11:53 am)

The car's been a home run with critics and consumers alike
 
Huh? A home run? Maybe in the little leagues. It still in the minor leagues compared to CamCords, or even the Sonata.
 
IMO I think its a blip on the screen in this class, and being a former multiple Ford owner, I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Fusion when it first appeared. Nobody around here is buying them. I know I'm not.
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Fusion vs. Ford 500 by jimlockey
Mar 13, 2006 (2:55 pm)
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The 500 gets just as good mileage, more confortable. Most of this is due to the new auto transmission. Both would be better with a good diesel.
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Ford's ups and downs by jimlockey
Mar 13, 2006 (2:59 pm)
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Ford keeps shooting itself in the foot by not making a vehicle that gets the kind of mileage that half the cars in Europe get.
 
With Ford's great dealerships, all they need is s good diesel. Not a 0 to 60 thing but one that has great torque and mileage. You know diesel.
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Re: MT vs Car and Driver vs Consumer Reports [pmerk28] by evandro
Mar 13, 2006 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: pmerk28 (Mar 13, 2006 6:31 am)

The record for those magazines is spotty at best. On one year a car is elected Car of the Year, a few years later it's nothing but an unreliable clunker. On a year they drool on a car and on another they trash it.
 
IMHO, these variations are due to opinions of changing editorial staffs. But I highlight that their articles are nothing but the author's opinions based little on facts. Which is not unexpected, considering that they don't have to put their money where their mouths are. We, consumers, do.
 
But indeed, CR is the worst reference when evaluating a car from its overall worthiness.
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Re: Ford's ups and downs [jimlockey] by evandro
Mar 13, 2006 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: jimlockey (Mar 13, 2006 2:59 pm)

Ford keeps shooting itself in the foot by not making a vehicle that gets the kind of mileage that half the cars in Europe get.
 
Ford did, the Focus, designed in Germany. My 4-cylinder Focus has a mileage similar to my V6 sedans, each over 1000lbs heavier: 25MPG vs. 23MPG.
 
And it's not alone. When I drove a 1.6 Toyota Avensis for about 1000mls in Europe, mostly highways, it got just 23MPG, manual transmission and all. My V6 sedans delivered up to 32MPG on the highway.
 
BTW, diesel engines fare well in Europe because it's the only way to get any torque. For the alternative is a decently sized engine, as common in the US, but made prohibitive by stupid taxation, often considering the engine displacement or HP. Not to mention the pillaging taxes on gas...
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Re: MT vs Car and Driver vs Consumer Reports [evandro] by mtnman1
Mar 13, 2006 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: evandro (Mar 13, 2006 3:46 pm)

You are so right about CR. I was looking for a SUV back in early 2004. Got my new CR yearly auto ratings and they rated the Explorer/Mountaineer as a recommended buy. Also, Edmunds had them as the Editor's pick in the Mid-Sized Suv class. Pilot was an honorable mention that year. I really liked the Mountaineer over all others in the class, so with the high praise from these two sources I bought one. I have not regretted it. I still think the Mountaineer or Explorer are the best looking Suv's. The thing is in this years installment of CR's Auto ratings they list the Explorer/Mountaineer's 2002-05 as used cars to avoid. Huh?
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Re: MT vs Car and Driver vs Consumer Reports [mtnman1] by backy
Mar 13, 2006 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Mar 13, 2006 4:24 pm)

Not so difficult to understand. CR lists cars to avoid when they have below-average reliability records. It has nothing to do with how the vehicles perform on the road.

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