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Ford Freestar, Mercury Monterey, Van
Feb 01, 2004 (8:45 pm)
Yes the 3.5L is multi-valve 24V. Ford is keeping the Duratec name (including using it in other I-4 engines). Actually the Duratec is far mroe reliable overall, never had a history of issues or concerns. I don't wish to say it's as reliable as the old 5.0L 302CID V-8 which is one of the most reliable in the whole industry, but the Duratec is up there in reliability for Ford.
And they can keep the 3.0L and use it in other applications. That same 3.0L makes 235HP-240HP in the Jag's with variable valve timing techonology. OR keep it simple (more cost efficient) and use it on the Escape at 201HP.
Let's not forget the 3.5L will add some weight as well.
Yes I also brought in that point on another forum . All the magazines will always mention the 240HP Altima, or the 240HP Accord, and that's enough to get the consumer's interest, to enter the showroom. And once there, there's enough of a chance for them to purchase something.
Same thing with Halo vehicles....Not many can afford the Tbird, YET chances are they'll walk other with something else. The higher performance engines I always say, will get people in the show room. I too would love to see more SVT variation of Ford products, but SVT will take another course, and ST will be another designation for higher powered Ford models with Euro specifications.
The 3.5L could make anywhere from 240-280 easily, so I'm not too worried about that. I think as long as it doesn't sound/or act PEAKY at high RPM, then it should do well. Nothing I dislike more than a high reving engine...but that's just me.
I agree with you about the Freestar, but since I know the other side of the story, and place all the pieces together you would see there's really no possible way to be able to produce an entirely new vehicle/platform/engine for a new minivan. I would also wish they concentrated on the Ranger a bit, but that's not getting it's redesigned till 2006-07, I believe that's an important product to get a buyer INTO a pick up, so they later might trade it for the F-150.
But various factors are involved, Ford is losing sales while they concentrate on infrastructure of teh company itself. Example, I rather a city/community improve it's streets, lighting, waterworks, etc, before I build a beautiful house on it, than have a beautiful house in a run-down neighborhood. And that's currently the issue that I'm seeing occur, them improving the infrastructure.
As for the NAV system, Ford has had that issue, as well as the satellite radio situation to deal with as well. Lots of legalities involve there, Wingcast first (went no where) then Sirius might be next, who knows, it changes monthly....
I agree about following the money back home. I've seen some discussing (specially with the Nissan Titan) how foolish some people state it's built in America, therefore justfying their purchase. I personally do not care what they buy, but trying to fool themselves into thinking it's "build in America" means they are being patrotic is rather ironic. Specially when they place these American Flags on them. YET the money is going to corporate in Japan, or Franch (since Renault bought them).... Always...follow the money...
Surely, they are supplying american worker's with jobs, but that's where it ends. I notice a few print material advertising for the Titan, in small caption stating "Built in Canton Mississippi USA" they should add, "making corporate HQ in Japan, and France, rich" But that's just ME....
#408 of 922 Windstar rebate?
Feb 02, 2004 (4:45 am)
Is the rebate for former Windstar owners in addition to the cash back (which is either $2500 or $3000)?
Also, is there a way to get the two captains chairs for the middle row without moving up to the two highest trim levels (SEL and Limited)?
That's what I found so disappointing when I checked out the Freestar in December. An SE model with bench seat priced out about $50 less (at MSRP, though) than a Toyota Sienna LE (which also had more ammenities besides the captains chairs).
#409 of 922 "Follow the Money?"
Feb 02, 2004 (6:03 am)
Ant - The old money trail excuse is really getting tired. GM, Ford, DC, Nissan, Toyota are all big global operations employing people all over the world. The stocks of these companies are owned by investors all over the world either individually or through mutual funds and pension funds. The idea that buying an American made Toyota sends big profits back to Japan is ludicrous. Japanese companies are owned by shareholders and are available for sale to anyone. Millions of Americans already own them. If they turn out to be more profitable than Ford or GM, then just buy their stock and bring those "riches" right back to the the good old USA.
The most patriotic thing a car buyer can do is to purchase the best vehicle. That rewards Ford when they build the best, and hopefully forces Ford to wake up when they don't, before it's too late. Freestar rebates are now $2500 and climbing. I guess if you really want to be patriotic, by a Freestar and let Ford keep the rebate as you accept all of the excuses as to why they can't build a competitive minivan.
Feb 02, 2004 (7:31 am)
Surely all car manufacturing companies are globalized, that's just a given... But eventually the buck stops at their headquarter's....if not many manufacturer's wouldn't be building in other countries, if their headquarter's sees their a profit to be made (at some point).
There's nothing wrong with someone who wishes to vote with their money and buy something foreign, that's up to them. But there's a major difference between making Ford family, it's executives, CEO, etc.etc. wealthier, over Toyota's for example.
#413 of 922 Chrysler backs off T&C position
Feb 03, 2004 (12:39 pm)
Despite DC's somewhat arrogant statement last month the the new folding 2nd-row seats on the T&C would be so appealing that they could eliminate financial incentives, a story in Reuters today states ..."Some automakers talked hopefully of cutting sales incentives this year as the economy recovered, but recent moves show no signs that the price competition will let up. And DaimlerChrysler AG said it will cut the price on its new 2005 Chrysler and Dodge minivans."
Appearantly DC is covering its bets - and decided while the new folding seats are a nice touch, they still can't sell the T&C without financial incentives
They eliminate the rebate, but lower the price. Same thing as keeping the price the same, but offering a rebate. The risk for DC is that they lower the price, and THEN find they also have to offer a rebate to keep sales moving. Than they'll probabaly raise the price.....gotta love the US carmakers.
Feb 03, 2004 (2:26 pm)
So, if you want to "buy American" you can choose from Ford, GM, Volvo, Saab, Mazda, Range Rover and Jaguar. But NOT Chrysler. How weird is that?!?
Feb 04, 2004 (4:48 am)
I find the discussion about buying an "american" car to be silly. First- isn't the Freestar made in Canada? (no offense to Canadian friends!) I hope all of you who are worried about buying Toyotas/Hondas b/c Japanese corporations are making money also buy all your products from American companies who hired American workers. If you do, tell me where you shop b/c I find it almost impossible to find products made in the USA or even products made by American corporations anymore! The USA has become a service industry! From furniture to computers to toilet paper, almost nothing is made in the USA anymore. Hopefully you never shop at Walmart, Target, Sears, etc where almost every product was made in China or made by China for a foreign corp. I bought a Toyota Sienna b/c it was (to me) the best minivan on the market for the money and after 4 months owning it i am satisfied. I was appeased that American autoworkers built the car. I'm happier that middle income auto workers got paid (rather than having to work at the Home Depot) and i don't worry about who ultimately gets the profits. The day American corporations start caring about us average citizens instead of polluting the environment, sending more and more jobs oversees, avoiding taxes, building cheap products etc is the day i worry about an American corp getting my hard earned money!