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Cadillac STS, Cadillac STS-V, Sedan
Jul 02, 2004 (9:31 am)
"In fact, after driving several preproduction versions of the STS, we think Cadillac may have been saving the best for last. Unlike the previous Seville STS that lacked the refinement, performance and aesthetic appeal necessary to compete against the best from Europe and Japan, the 2005 STS (the Seville name has been dropped) is a slick-looking, no-excuses package that gives up nothing to its competition."
Considering Audi is at the bottom of the pack in quality, why would anyone buy an Audi over a Cadillac?
#627 of 1325 Re: What Edmunds Says [mbukukanyau #626]
Jul 02, 2004 (12:15 pm)
We'll have to wait and see if the A6 boosts Audi's overall quality...
#628 of 1325 MT Test of STS vs. 545
Jul 02, 2004 (6:36 pm)
Just received my August issue of MT and there is a comparison test of the STS vs. E60 V8. Bimmer 'won' every performance category except braking; however, the MT editors liked the STS and said that overall, they would not pick a winner, as the two cars come at the lux/performance market from "different approaches". Interesting test. It will disappoint those who wanted the STS to kick the BMW's butt, but will make many happy to know that Cadillac is judged to have a car capable of competing with that marque. Worst news from the test: the "as tested" MSRP was $63,445 and that did NOT include AWD. Let's hope prices come down for actual production models, because those numbers will definitely scare off many buyers.
#629 of 1325 Re: MT Test of STS vs. 545 [pearl #628]
Jul 03, 2004 (11:05 am)
"Worst news from the test: the "as tested" MSRP was $63,445 and that did NOT include AWD."
They also said that a 545i comparably equipped to the STS would have cost over $68K.... and that included a "jerky driveline" and "many minor annoyances".
And you can't get AWD at any price.
Jul 03, 2004 (1:47 pm)
how one mag likes the same thing another does not.
MT say "manumatic shifter works backwards". And Car and Driver likes that forward shifts the car up.
#631 of 1325 Re: funny [bigdaddycoats #630]
Jul 03, 2004 (3:04 pm)
"MT say "manumatic shifter works backwards". And Car and Driver likes that forward shifts the car up."
I've seen 'em work sideways, too. I don't think there is a standard direction.
Perhaps they were looking for something to quibble about since they didn't have much - the plushness of the carpet, the molded headliner.
#632 of 1325 Re: MT Test of STS vs. 545 [eaton53 #629]
Jul 03, 2004 (6:43 pm)
The problem with Caddy's pricing for the STS is that they DO NOT yet have the bondafides to run with the Bimmers, etc. If people can get by the styling, they are going to buy the E60s, no matter what, especially since BMWs continue to have bullet-proof resale values. We can't say this yet for Caddy, where years of rebates and discounts have made the value drop like a brick as it rolls off the dealer's lot. While we have not yet seen the STS at dealerships, in my humble opinion, Cadillac will make a HUGE mistake if they try to go straight out of the chute to compete with the established German marques on price. They need to undercut them initially until they are accepted, and also unbundled some of the options so that people can get a decent STS without buy stuff they don't want. Lexus did this in 1989 with the LS400, and look at them now.
#633 of 1325 Re: MT Test of STS vs. 545 [pearl #632]
Jul 03, 2004 (7:56 pm)
"The problem with Caddy's pricing for the STS is that they DO NOT yet have the bondafides to run with the Bimmers, etc."
Right... the CTS just got done whipping the low end 5-Series in a Road and Track comparo and the SRX is #1 at both Automobile (along with the CTS-V) and Car and Driver. Cadillac's got more than what it takes to run with them.
"If people can get by the styling" "
"they are going to buy the E60s, no matter what."
These new BMW's are not as good as their predecessors... and this is happening just as strong competition is being released. They're vulnerable - and lack of AWD definitely makes the E60 an also-ran here in the snow belt.
"Cadillac will make a HUGE mistake if they try to go straight out of the chute to compete with the established German marques on price."
Yeah, this tired old argument comes out with every new Cadillac, first the CTS, then the XLR and SRX. And Cadillac's sales keep going up, even as "traditional" Cadillacs (the ones that do sell on price) are being phased out.
Jul 04, 2004 (4:48 am)
Cadillac tried the high pricing with the SRX. Failed.
#635 of 1325 Re: [theo2709 #634]
Jul 04, 2004 (5:53 am)
"Cadillac tried the high pricing with the SRX. Failed."
Not true. The problem was that there were too many of the V8's and not enough V6's. Now that they've got the model mix right, the SRX is selling quite well. They can sell the high priced V8's... they just can't make MOSTLY V8's.
I talked to one of my local dealers about this. He told me he will be getting plenty of V6 STS right away. They've learned from the SRX and Cadillac will not be making the model mix mistake again.
That's true of just about everyone. The lower priced versions sell in higher numbers, not the other way around, which is how Cadillac initially released the SRX resulting in a slow start.