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#373 of 1325 CR Caddie marks... by pearl Mar 10, 2004 (6:06 pm)
I agree that the CR commentary re problems/reliability/etc are very subjective; however, they do base their results on real data (and not just onesy-twosy inputs). Bottom line is that the CR ratings make the Caddy line look very bad in terms of reliabilty and potential trade-in value. Whether anyone likes it or not, CR is the "gold standard" for rating/evaluating cars in America - at least those most likely to be purchased by non-exotic buyers. Millions of people read their magazine and accept it as their bible for every type of purchase. Bottom line is that Caddilac MUST do better on quality re STS....
#374 of 1325 by ateixeira Mar 11, 2004 (7:43 am)
Well, after seeing the success of the CTS, I think they might be willing to invest a little more in quality control and materials cost.   -juice
#375 of 1325 by cornellpremed Mar 11, 2004 (8:41 pm)
There's a strong correlation between the cars that do well on JD Power's IQS, and their long term survey.   The Consumer Reports results are just bogus. I remember when the "black circle" for the CTS came out. It was a while back, not long after JD Power declared the CTS to be the 5th most well built car sold in America (after 2 Lexuses, and 2 Chevrolets).   Something ain't right with the CR survey. I think their sample size must have been vanishingly small. Then again, their methods in general are much more suspect than JD Power's.
#376 of 1325 JDP and CR by ateixeira Mar 12, 2004 (6:21 am)
I'll respectfully disagree.   If you look at cars like VWs they do well in the IQ study but fall flat in the Durability Study.   Mazdas tend to be the opposite. The Isuzu Trooper wasn't so good in the IQ study but took #2 in class for the Durability Study.   IQ is just a forecast, often misleading.   And please, someone tell me what poor gas mileage has to do with Quality?!   CR is just gathering data and they report more detail, so IMO it's more valuable info. You just have to take it FWIW.   -juice
#377 of 1325 by cornellpremed Mar 12, 2004 (6:38 am)
"If you look at cars like VWs they do well in the IQ study but fall flat in the Durability Study."   Volkswagens are junk. They're superficially well put together, and fall apart easily. Volkswagen/Audi is the perfect example of what's wrong with the German auto industry. They stress perceived quality at the expense of actual quality. You can only fool people so many times.   Volkswagen picked up a lot of yuppie buyers in the late 90's, but now these people aren't coming back to VW because of the bad experiences that they've had.
#378 of 1325 by kirstie_h HOST Mar 12, 2004 (6:53 am)
Let's get back to the upcoming Cadillacs, please.
#379 of 1325 300C as future STS competition?? by bostnwhalr Mar 13, 2004 (12:35 am)
Hey, I thought I'd throw this one out there since none of the automotive press has mentioned it to date.   The reviews are coming in on the new Chrysler 300C. While the styling is quite different, it has a very American bad-ass look to it with the chopped greenhouse. Old E-Class chassis, 340hp HEMI, tons of room, nice handling, 18" wheels. Nice interior (for a Chrysler). Available with AWD (this Fall). $33k base to $40k max. Available now.   Autoweek did a recent story on it. Really appealed to a wide range of people, particularly younger people.   http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=coverstory&loc_code=index&content_code=04277743   Now, no one has mentioned this, and I'm probably out here in left field, so please don't spank me, but do you think that the 300C is a valid competitor to the upcoming STS? I know, the Cadillac name is more prestigious, but if you're looking for an American luxury sedan, with decidedly American attitude, wouldn't you consider the 300C (unless you're a GM loyalists)? My gut instinct tells me that people might. Plus, the 300C will underprice the STS by $15k or so.
#380 of 1325 by rctennis3811 Mar 13, 2004 (4:15 am)
I think people will actually cross-shop the two! They're both big, bulky, powerful American sedans. Princing-wise though I'll take a 300C over an STS V8.
#381 of 1325 by theo2709 Aug 28, 2003 (11:10 am)
I've seen the STS pics, yes plural, and I came away unimpressed. The front is OK, but the back is bad: flat, big, and boxy, with droopy, Deville-like taillights that are too tall. The interior is exactly the same as the spy-shot previously posted, and there are still fit-and-finish flaws which I hope will be corrected by production.
#382 of 1325 by cornellpremed Mar 13, 2004 (7:08 pm)
Where did you see the STS pics?

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