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#335 of 1325 Prestige? by markhampton Feb 19, 2004 (7:30 pm)
rctennis3811:   I can agree with most of what you say. Yes, Cadillac's quality slipped in the 70s and 80s, and they have been going in the right direction the past ten years. I would also argue that MB and BMW have gone the wrong way on the quality scale over the past decade. If MB and BMW don't get their act together with respect to quality, they'll end up right where Cadillac was ten years ago. It's not as if building a complex, but reliable car is impossible. Just look at Lexus and Infiniti. They're not perfect -- no car maker is -- but they manage to build complex cars that break down less than any other make.   As for prestige, well, I personally think it's overrated. These days, I'll take reliability over prestige any day of the week. But that's just me. If I were seriously concerned about what the people at the mall thought of me, I guess I'd skip the aforementioned makes altogether -- they're a dime a dozen in places like SoCal and the Big Apple. Bentley, Rolls or Aston Martin: Now THAT's prestige.   I think the STS will offer the right combination of size, performance, and style to satisfy it's target market. If sales are a measure of what separates the "good" cars from the "bad", then Lexus and Cadillac cannot be ignored. If I'm not mistaken, I believe I read that Cadillac's sales were up 28% last year. Not bad. CTS sales exceeded projections by a wide margin, so somebody must like Caddy's new edgy style. I know I do.
#336 of 1325 I have to second by erickpl Feb 20, 2004 (9:53 am)
markhampton's comments. Give me reliability too. A Jag may be considered prestigious, but how much prestige is there when the thing is on the auto rack?   Granted, quality is improving almost across the board (there are exceptions). Regardless of what people think of Cadillac, I've enjoyed driving one. When I travel to see my son in school, we get the Seville STS (older generation) and it rides nice. We don't push it or try to do any slaloms, but for the driving we do, it is very comfortable.   When Cadillac adds the performance to the luxury that I've been feeling, they'll have a winner. I haven't looked at the CTS at all (I'm NOT a fan of the lines), I'm hoping that the STS will be a mix of the new CTS and old Seville lines. Crisper, but not too crisp. Know what I mean? The interior shots have been nice.   But having the perfectly styled, balanced, and performing car doesn't mean squat if reliability isn't there. If the reliability is close, the dealer/service experience needs to be a step above what others are doing.   My BMW 325xi has been excellent, except for a little computer hiccup 2 months after I got it. Once fixed, it has been flawless. Any minor nits I have had have been addressed by the dealer.   Now don't get me started on the 5 or 7 series though.   -Paul
#337 of 1325 STS vs Type R by mbukukanyau Feb 20, 2004 (12:56 pm)
#338 of 1325 markhampton by rctennis3811 Feb 20, 2004 (2:23 pm)
Amen! I'm all for reliability and price! I was just telling him about why some people still continue to buy BMWs, MBs, Jags, and more..."prestige factor" :-\ Heck, most people spending 50K have enough extra money to cough up to buy that "prestige". Weird, but it happens. If the STS looks good in the side and back and has superb specs...I'll be first in line!
#339 of 1325 tennis by 1487 Feb 22, 2004 (6:49 am)
CAdillac on the same level as Acura and Volvo? Are you serious? If you look at Caddy's prices and model lineup there is no comparison with those lower brands. Cadillac is competing with Lexus, MB and BMW. That's about it, Lincoln and the other imports are on a lower level in terms of prices and product range. Volvo and Acura are not highly sought after by young people, they are seen as nice cars that dont offer much styling or panache. While it may be nice to think people don't care about what "thugs" and hollywood types buy, the truth is they are the trend setters. I have seen middle aged white guys driving SUVs sitting on large chrome rims. They didn't pick that up at the country club. Now the manufacturers are making extra large rims available from the factory. It's a trend that started in the hood and with import tuner types, but now it is mainstream. The same goes for Cadillacs, they may be in all the videos, but their sales are increasing in the ghetto and in the burbs. I see plenty of conservative white guys driving Escalades and EXTs.
#340 of 1325 1487 by rctennis3811 Feb 22, 2004 (10:09 am)
Acura not having styling?? Two letters: TL. I know lots of highschoolers who'd love to own an Acura. They're not as bland as Lexus, but not as cool-looking as Infiniti. FYI, I have many friends who drive Slades with 20" rims and that's cool. They like it, and I like it for the most part. But in terms of the MOST PRESTIGIOUS, MB cannot be beat. It's just their legacy. Most people at the local country club usually drive MBs, but there is also a lot of Slades, CTS sedans, Volvos, Beemers, and Acuras. How is Lincoln lower than Cadillac? If I'm not mistaken, aren't they competing directly with each other? CTS to LS, Navigator to Escalade, Town Car to Deville...right?   "I have seen middle aged white guys driving SUVs sitting on large chrome rims. They didn't pick that up at the country club. Now the manufacturers are making extra large rims available from the factory. It's a trend that started in the hood and with import tuner types, but now it is mainstream."   Point?? What does that have to do with what I said??
#341 of 1325 Cadillac is back by exalteddragon1 Feb 22, 2004 (1:29 pm)
And if you don't believe it you get a smack
#342 of 1325 Lincoln vs. Cadillac by eaton53 Feb 22, 2004 (5:07 pm)
Lincoln has been left behind... most of their lineup doesn't match up to Cadillac.   Examples: XLR vs ???, CTS-V vs.???, SRX vs.??? (not the Aviator - I like it and have driven 'em both, they're not all that similar), '05 STS vs ???   Not that Lincoln has to - Ford has Jaguar to carry that banner.   Volvo and Acura aren't even close. Any of the four Cadillac models I just mentioned are far superior to anything those two make.
#343 of 1325 by grbeck Feb 22, 2004 (9:08 pm)
I hope the Cadillac CTS-V, SRX, XLR and STS are superior to similar models from Acura...they cost a whole lot more money.
#344 of 1325 by eaton53 Feb 23, 2004 (4:30 am)
"they cost a whole lot more money."   Exactly... Acura is not a player.

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