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Cadillac STS, Cadillac STS-V, Sedan
Feb 06, 2004 (11:07 am)
Cadillac will continue Deville/DTS, its the best seller, atleast until 2012, because the redsign is up for the 2006/07 model year. And maybe phase out by 2012.
V or high performance models will be the STS, and Escalade. Maybe XLR (GM leaves that performance to the Vette) no GM car should out do the Vette, maybe GM has changed that idea.
The High luxury SEDANS one for S/7/A/LS/XJ, hell even Lincoln and later one for Rolls, Bent, and MyB.
So as the DeVille MAY phase out the Ultra may arrive on the heels of DeVille
Feb 10, 2004 (5:24 pm)
I'm a Ford loyalist and I have to say that I don't care much for GM vehicles. They continue to use old pushrod engines, outdated 4 sp. auto transmissions, and build plasticky interiors. However, as much as I don't like GM, I do respect the Cadillac division. Lately they are designing some high-tech, attractive vehicles. The new STS really caught my eye. It looks great, inside and out, and has potent powertrains to back up these looks. And, of course, we can't forget that this vehicle has rear wheel drive. If the STS turns out as good as the previews are showing it to be, I'd have to say it'll probably be the best domestic sports sedan available and definitely worth taking a look at. It should be able to compete with BMW and Audi, since the STS's price more than likely will be much lower. But watch out, Cadillac fans, because a new LS should be right around the corner
Feb 10, 2004 (8:48 pm)
"They continue to use old pushrod engines,"
Those "old pushrod engines" outperform the weak junk Ford puts in their cars.
Ford's in trouble with their truck line especially because of the new CAFE requirements. GM can continue to put high power engines in their trucks, because they will meet or exceed the new requirements with DOD.
Cadillac CTS-V with its "old pushrod engine"... Does Ford have any sedans that can beat it? Don't think so.
"outdated 4 sp. auto transmissions,"
Ford probably makes more extensive use of 4-speeds than GM does. Also, Ford is licensing GM's new 6-speed automatic FWD transmission because they don't have the know-how to do it themselves.
"build plasticky interiors."
GM's new products have good interiors, on par with or better than Ford's offerings.
Feb 11, 2004 (6:01 am)
bewhite25: Watch out with your GM criticism. Don't be too strident, as others have got into trouble for this. In general, though, I haven't liked GM products at all and have been a Ford loyalist myself until very recently. Ford had nothing in their stable for me to replace my SVT Contour. I was looking for a 4 door, high performance sports sedan and Ford had zip. I liked the CTS, but couldn't swallow its terrible interior for the price. At the same time, though, it's almost impossible to be high on Ford either. Their product in all aspects has been wanting and Lincoln has been dying a slow, painful death.
That said, I've like Cadillac's recent product a lot, especially the SRX. If I had $50,000 to spend on a car right now, it would be the CTS-V. I have high hopes for the STS, but am waiting to see a more in-depth preview, as I'm not sold on the smoothed out A&S styling we've seen in photos to date...
Feb 11, 2004 (6:51 am)
"Ford had nothing in their stable for me to replace my SVT Contour. I was looking for a 4 door, high performance sports sedan and Ford had zip."
Exactly... I also had a Contour SVT. I was in the Ford store about the time I sold it and asked the salesman to look around and tell me what he thought he could sell me. He had no answer.
"I liked the CTS, but couldn't swallow its terrible interior for the price."
I love the CTS interior. I'll be driving a Mazda until pre-owned '04 CTS reaches my price point.
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Feb 11, 2004 (8:32 am)
Eaton53: I know this isn't the forum for it, but doesn't the SVT Contour rock? If you ever want to trade stories, e-mail me at garrisiarihotmail.com. I'm trying to sell mine right now. The Lincoln LS just wasn't a substitute, especially not having a manual.
Regarding the CTS, I'm glad you like the interior. It's all relative. Right now, I'm waiting for the CTS-V to fall into my price range preowned, maybe 2007 or 8.
Cadillac interiors are really getting impressive, though. I love the XLR interior, especially the center console. The SRX interior is also impressive and if the STS spy shots of the interior are anything to go by, it'll be a beauty!
Feb 11, 2004 (9:03 am)
I think Ford is doing better on the interiors, look at the F150 next to the Sierra and the GMC looks like a relic of the 80s.
Even newer cars, like the Ford 500 look better than the Pontiac G6 or Malibu.
GM needs new interior stylists. I like the CTS outside, but inside it could improve a lot.
Feb 11, 2004 (2:21 pm)
I respect everyone's opinion and I don't want to fight with anyone. I'm just saying that instead of new innovative engineering like we've been seeing with Ford in the last year or two, GM sticks with reliable yet old technology. The 3.8L engine may be a good powerplant, but it's a very old design. The only reason it performs so well is that it has nearly a liter of displacement with most of the 3.0 v6s or smaller that it competes with. The Vortec engines are also good engines, but GM continues using a pushrod design because it's more cost effective. The new 5.4 outperforms the standard 5.3 in every way. The 6.0 has comparable specs, but with over a half a liter in displacement greater and less efficiency. They don't have the low end torque and responsiveness that overhead cams can give. Cornellpremed, I don't know where you heard that Ford is borrowing a 6 sp. automatic from GM (if you have a link to a site, please give it to me. I'd love to read it), but if this is true, how comes we don't see this being used in any GM vehicles? I mean, the best we're seeing from them are some 5 speeds used in the Cadillac division. And most of GM's new vehicle debuts are still using some form of a large displacement pushrod with a 4 speed auto. If Ford built a 3.8 dohc, it would destroy the GM ohv 3.8L. The new Duratec 35 will be a much more powerful engine than the new 3.5 from GM. I guess it bothers me that GM isn't taking any risks by coming up with more clean slate desings. In regard to plasticky interiors, it's main seller the Silverado has a less than glamorous interior. I've been in them before and you can find many hard, hollow sufaces. And the dashboard design really hasn't changed for quite some time. GM just builds upon already proven technology that gets the job done, but I think GM will need to reinvent it's thinking with it's mainstream sellers as it is with the Cadillac division. Most of the vehicles in the Ford division that have been around for a few years are less than impressive. I'm just making more of a comparison between the new vehicles and powertrains we're seeing come out from the Ford Motor Co. vs. new vehicles we're seeing come out from the GM Motor Co. I'm sorry, I really should have been more thoughtful. GM can make great vehicles, but I just think that if they don't come up with fresh ideas they will fall behind Ford. I didn't mean to rip on any GM fans. I just love debating this kind of stuff becasue I'm a huge car fan and I just learn more and more by doing this.
Feb 11, 2004 (2:29 pm)
The STS should eventually be Caddy's volume car. For now, loyalists to FWD want a Deville. But eventually it should be phased out and GM buyers wanting FWD big cars should go to Buick/Pontiac.
Feb 11, 2004 (2:40 pm)
"GM's new products have good interiors, on par with or better than Ford's offerings."
Wait, you're saying the Malibu, TrailBlazer, and G6 have a better interior than any of FoMoCo's offerings!?! Check out the new 500, Freestyle, Explorer, Expedition, F150, Volvos, MAZDA6, 3, RX8, Lincolns, and the rest of their group. I wouldn't say they're as good as you think they are.