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#1314 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [lb05]
Apr 01, 2008 (4:51 pm)
Cadillac has their Field Reps drive them, then resell them as used. Last month I bought an 07 STS, V6 AWD with Nav and a Moonroof. It was titled to General Motors, the only purpose to me was that they didn't allow the perception that you could buy a NEW STS for such a discouint. To me it was like buying a Demo. My car was in service 5 months, has 6000 miles, MSRP was $52,400. I bought it outright for $28,000 cash, no trade. This is one of the most stable driving cars I've ever owned. The AWD was awesome this winter in Chicago with the 62" of snow we've had. It's very quiet and comfortable. The options are never ending, even down to the heated and cooled seats.The 6CD Surround Sound is great. The NAV is interesting, as long as I don't hit something while I'm watching the screen. I still haven't tackled programming a destination. Mileage isn't great with the AWD, Instant MPG on cruise at 75 says only 22. Considering a loaded Camry or Accord costs $28K, I couldn't be happier with my deal. There are quite a few 07 STS' advertised around Chicago for around $33K. I looked at a few with similar miles and every dealer noted they were Cadillac owned and driven cars. I jumped on the deal advertised for $5K less than everyone else. Someone made an advertising mistake (I think) and I was there in a flash, didn't ask questions, checked it out, drove it and started counting out cash.
#1315 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [palalt]
Apr 02, 2008 (4:33 pm)
A lot of car for the money.....smokin' deal.
#1316 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [palalt]
Apr 05, 2008 (7:32 pm)
My God, what a spectacular deal.
I'm looking for about 9 to 12 months out. I've kept my Maxima (bought new) for 16 years. I want to replace it with something a little plusher, hopefully under $30k. I'd still like just the faintest hint of over-the-road responsiveness. Cooled seats would be swell. Real wood, even sweller.
I could love the CTS except for one fatal flaw: The console digs into my right leg. The Avalon is ungainly and unpleasing. The Azera is perfect for me except that it's a tad mushy, a bit blocky-looking in front, and the interior materials are just a bit cheesy. The Lexus ES lacks headroom for me, and just isn't enough car for what you pay. The TL is a great car, but too stiff and not roomy enough for my frame. The RL lacks room and costs too much. The Accord looks grotesque outside and cheap inside. The Camry doesn't even make the discussion.
I live in the Chicago area. If I may ask, what dealer went so low?
#1317 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [tonycd]
Apr 08, 2008 (7:38 am)
I found my 07 at Al Piemonte Cadillac in St. Charles. I had found a couple close to the $30K mark but they were missing the 3 big items; NAV, AWD and Moonroof. A basic RWD car didn't do the job for me regardless of price. Piemonte actually had those base cars advertised for higher than the loaded one I purchased. Don't ask me why. They were all around 6K on the miles and were Cadillac owned cars. I think someone picked the wrong car stock # to advertise as the price leader. The salesman double checked the stock # to make sure I was on the right car. Fortunately he wasn't bright enough to raise the issue with management, just going along with the deal. Once the papers are signed and the money changes hands, the consumer does not have a right to cancel, (I've tried it before). If it's a legal, binding contract, it's binding for 'both' parties. Even if you have to pay $30k or over, which I don't think you will in 9 months, you should be happy. If you're in Chicago, don't even think about going with RWD. I've seen a few STS' going nowhere this winter, sliding all over the place, obviously not having AWD. The slight sacrifice in MPG has to be worth the safety. My STS only has the V6, which has plenty of go. I didn't want an oil burning Northstar V8. (Another whole topic). Good luck shopping!
#1318 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [palalt]
Apr 09, 2008 (6:16 am)
My 2007 SRX with the V8 does not use oil (so far) between changes. My first oil change was at 11500 miles and I had not added any oil. Some of the CTS owners are reporting V6 oil consumption rates of 1 qt in 1000 miles or so.
#1319 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [sls002]
Apr 10, 2008 (10:00 am)
Wow! I guess I better start checking the oil between changes on my V6 STS. I hadn't heard of a V6 consumption problem on any V6's, only the Northstar V8. I have a friend that has an 02 Eldo that uses at least a quart every 1K. Don't really know if the new motors are any better.
I have to ask. You performed your "first" oil change at 11K? That's not even close to what is recommended!
#1320 of 1325 Re: Unsold 2007 Cadillac STS [palalt]
Apr 11, 2008 (6:34 am)
In the CTS forum there are people who are having problems with V6 oil consumption. My 2002 Seville used about 4 quarts every 10000 miles, which was the oil monitor's oil change interval for me. I used Mobil 1 synthetic in it.
My dealer recommended the first change at the oil monitor's 30% oil life left stage, which was at 11,500 miles. This engine requires synthetic oil for the oil monitor to give the proper oil change interval. Cadillac sent me a coupon to use for the first change suggesting that I do it when the oil monitor request the change (0%).
#1321 of 1325 Re: Northstar oil consumption [palalt]
Apr 17, 2008 (7:31 pm)
Thank you very much, palalt. I appreciate you sharing this information.
As for the oil consumption question: I hadn't heard about the V6, but I have read more than once that the Northstar V8 has a chronic problem with leakage around its poorly designed two-piece oil pan. I don't know if this is the reason, but I've seen it suggested that many Northstars don't make it much past 100,000 miles -- which I personally consider, in this day and age (and at these prices), to be unacceptable performance.
#1322 of 1325 Re: Northstar oil consumption
Apr 20, 2008 (9:41 am)
I have a 2006 STS with the V-8 and I have had absolutely NO oil usage issues in the 2.5 years that I have had the vehicle.
#1323 of 1325 My disappointing '08 STS test drive (long)
Apr 22, 2008 (9:13 am)
I test drove an '08 STS 4 (AWD) with the V6. Tan leather, wood dash and wheel, ventilated seats. It was far from comprehensive, just a spin around the block on crappy pavement and a tight turn or two, but I was bummed.
I'll preface this comment by saying I love the CTS, but it has one unfortunate deal-killer for me: the console hits my right knee. Minor to some, but hey, I can't amputate to widen my car choices. So palalt really caught my eye when he told of getting the essentially similar STS at sub-CTS prices.
My first impression (and second, and third) of the STS interior is that it doesn't come close to either CTS standards or modern ones. The materials are very good, but the design looks very dated and very old-school GM (which it is, I do understand). The left-hand stalk that contains the cruise and every other control on earth is just as confounding as other testers say it is. Even the real wood on the center stack and passenger's dash somehow looks superficially applied, not integral, which undermines its luxury appeal.
Beyond this, the interior room is truly disappointing. The console impinges on my right knee almost as badly as the CTS's does. I kidded to the salesman that I wished the multi-adjustable driver's seat moved an inch to the left. I never get why cars like this, with such ample room overall, can have driver's spaces so carelessly laid out that this can happen. (I experienced the same thing with the Avalon's shifter, by the way.) I'm 6'2", and sitting behind myself was an exercise in head-bending, loafer-twisting and knee-banging. The room back there doesn't come close to a Sonata, which is hard to comprehend at this size and price. Up front, I also have to agree with the owners who've complained there's no place to put anything; even the glovebox, with a door that's huge but pancake-flat, would benefit from a pair of simple side panels so you could at least rest something in it.
The actual drive, while short, gave almost no cause for complaint. The ventilated seats ventilate. The engine sounds great, is well isolated, and had plenty of pop for the modest requests I made of it. Low-speed cornering is impressively flat if a bit floaty, the steering is numb but accurate with a meaty wheel that felt good in my hands, and the ride was comfortable and controlled. Two nits: Expansion strips were hardly felt but clearly heard, too loudly for the class in my opinion. And I encountered yet another ergonomic glitch once underway, as my right foot kept getting trapped under the gas pedal every time I moved over from the brake.
Overall, I thought the basics of engine, suspension and chassis were fully worthy of the luxury class. But all the touch points were so frustrating, it killed the pleasure for me. Given the further uncertainty of the model's sketchy reliability scores, I don't think I personally could be happy knowing I paid to own this car. And I'm a bit sad to say that.