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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Oct 24, 2006 9:27 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Oct 24, 2006 2:20 pm) One of the few incentive programs, that I thought was really worth anything was that 'drive for a day' program, because it didn't really lower the value of the car, they didn't offer you a discount, just a prolonged test drive. Anywhay, more GM dealers should offer the kind of service you had to there customers, that would help with sales and image.
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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Oct 27, 2006 9:37 am) |
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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Oct 09, 2006 10:59 am) But, build quality in both the BMW and the Caddy are very good. I'm trying to split time in both cars. I don't want my mother's STS to sit much...and I don't want to put a pile of miles on my BMW. BMW outhandles the Caddy. But the Caddy feels faster. The more I drive the Caddy, the more I'm getting used to it's driving characteristics. It's a very fluid drive. It's an AWD V8 STS. When she bought it, she got all the bells and whistles. I'd bet she never even used the Nav or the surround sound. All the radio presets were on "talk radio". Stereo is very good in the STS....probably one of the best factory systems I've ever heard. My one pet peeve with the navi in the Caddy is the fact it won't let you use a lot of the functions once the car gets above 6 MPH. Whereas, in the BMW, all the funcions can be used while driving. Seats are more comfy in the Caddy. It has some nice bolsters, but they aren't too hard. My BMW's "comfort access" (keyless start, personalization settings, etc) gets crossed up on occasion (doors won't unlock unless I use the fob, instead of me just touching the door handle...mirros fold in when I don't want them to). The remote start and keyless start/personliaztion on the Caddy works flawlessly, so far. I'm betting I find the remote start usefull this winter to warm up the car when it gets real cold. MPG is mediocre in the Caddy. I'm getting about 16-17 MPG in city driving. It gets about 27-28 MPG on the hgiway, though. My BMW's city MPG is better, but the Caddy's highway MPG is better. It's really too bad that Cadillac doesn't do a better job of marketing. This is the first American brand I've liked in quite a few years. They're really two different cars...the STS and the BMW, in two different classes. The BMW is a sports sedan, first and foremost. I think the STS has some sportiness tuned into it, but it's job is a luxury car. I don't know what my mother paid for the Caddy, but I'd bet is was about $10K more than I paid for the BMW. The Caddy is bigger all the way around over the 330i. Neither has even a hint of a squeak or rattle. Both are very nice cars.
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I see a 'short take' ( 1 page ) on the 2008 V6 STS in the C+D that arrived today... - Ray Sounds worth a test drive...... |
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| I see Edmunds has the 2008 V6 base at $42,390... | |
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I have read through the 2008 list of changes elsewhere – and I am surprised to see nothing about any upgrades to the MX0 \ 6L80’s shift behavior. I currently drive a 2007 Corvette Coupe. On the 2008 Corvette Order Guide site GM \ Chevy states: “Improved paddle shift automatic with quicker shift on (MX0) automatic transmission”. Has anyone seen or heard anything about similar improvements for the 2008 STS-v? Since it uses a version of the same 6L80, I’d hope that there would be comparable improvements in the Caddy Flagship. . . ??? Thanks, - Ray Considering a Sedan to “go with” the Corvette . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Jul 10, 2007 8:36 am)
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Replying to: box986 (Jul 10, 2007 9:16 am) Interesting. Source? [ Edit: Details? ] Seems very curious [ to me ] that GM \ Caddy make no mention of this - that I have seen... Thanks, - Ray Sufficienly interested to schedule a test drive... |
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I “requested” way back in 2005 and \ or 2006 that Caddy revamp their option and equipment availability policy – to allow configuration of what I’d call an STS GT. Less ( mandatory ) luxury and convenience options required before one could order the PCZ “Performance Handling Package” with the NorthStar V8. It appears that, with the introduction of the substantially upgraded V6 version of the 2008 STS, Caddy has in fact decided to allow something quite similar to what I had in mind back then. Essentially, I was looking for the highest \ best performance & handling equipment, without pushing MSRP well over $60K – for ‘stuff’ I really did not care that much about. ( Such as the Navigation system, Bose sound system, HIDs, rear heated seats, and a few other items. ) This V6, with 300+ HP and a flat TQ curve, implying good general drivability in addition to that rather high specific output, mated to GM’s 6L50 6 speed automatic ( a version of the trans. in my Corvette ) intrigues me. Particularly with the imminent release of the CTS. ( Still waiting to see pricing. ) ** IF ** the dynamics of the 2008 V6 STS are actually much as described in the previews I have read, and the quality ( mechanically & cosmetically ) is improved – in addition to the revamped interior & exterior. ( The 4 previews I have read so far, including 1 here on Edmunds, have been quite positive. ) And ** IF ** the acceleration feel and handling feel of the V6 is truly as good as initial reviews, based on pre-production examples, is as good as reported. And the NVH control is refined. And ** IF ** the [ real world ] fuel mileage is reasonable. Etc. THEN, I see this as an advance toward Caddy making the STS a sales success. And building a base of [ very ] satisfied Caddy customers. I see potential to sell more V6 STSs than V8s, as has always been true – and these advancements sound like they’ll make the STS V6 something that will impress. If the V6 STS sells in larger numbers, and the upcoming CTS ( same motor available ) also becomes a sales success, these revenue stream enhancements ** MAY ** allow Caddy to invest in the other aspects that would push the Brand higher. If GM so chooses. I have asked the Internet Manager at my closest dealer to notify me when 2008 V6 STSs start arriving. I plan to test drive one, equipped as close as possible to how I’d buy one: 1SC, PDQ & PCZ. MSRP just under $55K. ( Where previously a V8 with PCZ had to be a 1SG, and had an MSRP well over $60K. A 2007 1SG – V8 w/Sunroof and premium paint currently on my Dealer’s lot lists at $62,940. That is without a HUD. And with no PCZ. ) In addition to the larger ( Summer only ) tires & wider wheels & Brembo brakes, a 2008 STS V6 so equipped would even include a HUD – something previously only available bundled with (K59) Adaptive Cruise Control, and priced at something over $2,000. And again only available on the V8 with 1SG. I have had a HUD on past vehicles and have one on my Corvette – and appreciate the usefulness. It would include the Navigation system, heated AND VENTILATED front seats – and even a heated steering wheel. For a much more reasonable actual transaction cost. IMHO. And at a ‘penalty’ ( vs the V8 version ) of only 0.2 seconds in 0 – 60 acceleration. A difference I suspect very, very few could discern. IMHO. I see all this as Caddy making progress – movement in what I consider “The Right Direction”. Cheers, - Ray Willing to be convinced that this is a satisfying sedan to drive . . . |
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