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Cadillac STS, Cadillac STS-V, Sedan
#1283 of 1325 Re: STS transmissions [sls002]
Jul 31, 2006 (9:35 am)
I have also done some Excel Calculatin’ ( cypherin’ ? ) regarding the gearing.
If I need to buy a 1SG in order to have the final drive ratio I want ( whatever that turns out to be ) and several other items that I consider necessary to make the STS a very sporting Sedan, then I will not be happy. The 3.42 was previously only available with 1SG RWD.
The ( apparent ) primary assumption behind the Preferred Option Group and availability of stand alone options ( of interest to me ) set-up and pricing for the 2005 & 2006 V8 STS is that if a customer would like the sportiest version of a RWD Sport Sedan, that customer would also want most every available luxury & convenience option as well. ( For 2007, the PCZ follow-on to the QAF Performance Handling Package is only available as an option on the 1SG. That the FE3 Magnetic Ride Control and the Limited Slip Differential and the Premium Steering Gear are included only with & only available now with 1SG, for 3 particularly annoying examples. )
The 2007 Order Guide appears to confirm that the 2007 version will be similar. Or even worse.
I happen to think that BMW’s strategy is more reasonable: You can choose the Sport Package, including similar equipment changes to the STS’s PCZ plus Sport Seats, with or without the Premium Package on the 5 & 3 Series Sport Sedans. There are also some individual options ( Uplevel Sound System, Navigation System & Satellite Radio, for 3 examples ) that one can order or not, as one desires, regardless of Package(s) ordered. Thus, one can configure a very sporting BMW, with or without adding a lot of high priced luxury \ convenience options, if you so desire.
Since I enjoy listening to a good sound system, but do not require Audiophile Quality while driving, the standard system in such cars as these is typically fine with me.
Since I would likely only find real use in a Navigation System once or twice a year, in my driving, I happen to see no need to spend $1,500+ for that feature.
I had hoped that 2007 might mark a change in marketing strategy regarding this sort of option bundling & availability – particularly since 1. ) there appears to be nothing else beyond the new six speed trans. that has been changed \ improved for MY 2007 and 2. ) my sense is that MY 2006 sales have not been outstanding.
I am most emphatically ** NOT ** suggesting that Cadillac somehow degrade or dilute the Brand by offering any sort of cut-rate product.
I am suggesting that I ( for one ) would strongly prefer to be able to configure and buy a Cadillac Sport Sedan the size of an STS, with a Northstar V8 and a six speed manumatic and LSD and Magnetic Ride Control and a Performance Handling Package, a Limited Slip Differential, Premium Steering – and a stereo system that is good enough for a 1SE, no Navigation System, no heat for the rear seats and etc.
I was actually quite encouraged when I read the fact that the Sunroof is no longer included in any package, and is a separate option – available but not required at any trim \ PEG level. Then I read the rest of the Order Guide. . .
And I am still absolutely amazed that for an STS to be equipped with a HUD, in any form, first requires stepping up to the 1SG – when a very functional HUD was standard on my 2005 GM Sedan, purchased new for well under $30K.
Good as I expect the dynamics of a 2007 V8 six speed 1SG ( with a final drive ratio that will result in both improved acceleration and ‘real world’ MPG, and with PCZ ) to be, I also expect that this very interesting & capable Sport Sedan will be priced beyond what I’ll want to pay. Well North of $60K. ( Since a 2006 1SG starts at over $61K. )
If only Caddy would allow me to ‘have it my way’.
We shall see . . .
Still waiting for additional 2007 information to be officially released . . .
#1285 of 1325 Re: STS transmissions [rayainsw]
Jul 31, 2006 (8:20 pm)
GM's options scheme is not limited to the STS or even Cadillac. Other cars are offered with different options on certain trims. BMW offers only one axle ratio with a particular engine/transmission combination I think. I do not really see the point in the different axle gears, except for the EPA rating. By making the high performance packages exceedingly expensive, they probably sell a small enough number that the base gears are used for the fuel economy rating.
I still think that the optimum axle ratio should change with the six speed automatic for best performance.
Aug 01, 2006 (5:56 am)
The media site has released the 2007 STS stuff. The base axle ratio is 3.42:1 for all V8 trim levels as well as the V6. This gives an overall ratio of 2.29:1 in top gear for the V8, compared to 2.05 for the base V8 with 2.73:1 gears last year.
It seems to me, after reviewing and thinking more about what you posted above, that what you want is the top of the line STS with all the performance junk, at a V6 price. That is not really a reasonable expectation.
#1287 of 1325 STS front bucket seats
Aug 19, 2006 (8:12 am)
Edmunds says that one of the cons of the STS is the front bucket seats. Too hard or something like that. I would appreciate any comments regarding the comfort of the front seats. I am considering an STS and cannot abide hard seats a la Lexus, Honda, etc. Thanks.
#1288 of 1325 So Long - and happy motoring!
Oct 02, 2006 (3:53 am)
Since I have posted here with some regularity, I thought I’d post a ( likely ) final message . . . At least for quite a while.
After driving several STS V8s, including the second STS-v delivered locally, I decided to order a 2007 Corvette Coupe. For many reasons.
Details of my test drive impressions are posted on the Corvette forums here on Edmunds. I in no way mean to suggest that the Corvette is a competitor to the STS in any traditional sense.
I happen right now to be in a situation where a back seat is no longer an absolute requirement for me. And I have decided to take the opportunity to buy a corvette. With many of the comfort & convenience items that I have found attractive on the STS. ( Again, details of my option choices, and why, are posted in the Corvette Forums. ) Thus equipped, I see the Corvette as more GT than “pure sports car” – but others will disagree.
I see the C6, as of MY 2006 ( with the addition of the A6 trans. ) as a world class GT car and a world class bargain.
Not cheap, mind you. The MSRP of the one I ordered is over $10,000 more than my 2003 LS. And the actual transaction price is higher by even more . . .
2007 Corvette on order & counting the days . . .
#1289 of 1325 Re: STS front bucket seats [horns1976]
Oct 04, 2006 (5:32 am)
I'm driving my Mother's '05 STS. My "normal car" is a BMW 3 series.
I find the Caddy's seats more comfortable. They don't have the bolstering of the BMW's seats, but that's both a blessing and a curse. The Caddy's seats seem to have more/better padding material. Plus, the leather in the Caddy seems to be much softer than that in the BMW.
In fast driving, on lots of switchbacks, I'll take the BMW's seats. In everyday, around town driving, I'll take the Caddy's seats. On a long highway trip? Caddy.....hands down.
Oct 09, 2006 (10:59 am)
find the materials on the STS, are they up to BMW spec, according to you at least?
Also, what STS is it? I was wondering if anyone has driven the new 6 speed STS and an STS4 of any years, just to find out how the AWD system is.
you know, there is not as big a difference between a fully loaded (with every option) STS4 and a STSV
Oct 21, 2006 (3:38 am)
Got a STS V6 lux for an overnight drive. Sticker at just under $53K. Love the nav. setup and Bose. I think it rides great. Firm, but not harsh just like my 99 STS did. The V6 really surprised me as I wondered going in if I would be happy with it. Plenty of power and all wheel drive too. Will be buying it. My price is 46,300 minus the 2145 for the free Nav. that Caddy is offering until the end of the year. Black on Black with sunroof
#1292 of 1325 Re: STS I drove one [dmathews3]
Oct 24, 2006 (9:27 am)
That's a cool color combo,
Did you get the wood interrior? I know some interriors have wood on the dash, but not the steering wheel and shifter
You know, if they just lower the price a bit, they would not have to offer all these rebates... we will see i guess.
You got a good deal, though. I would expect to pay that much for a V6 Nav AWD. Let us know how its doing!