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You are in the Cadillac STS/STS-V
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Cadillac STS, Cadillac STS-V, Sedan
#1100 of 1325 Re: Cadillac Style? [baltoman]
Aug 18, 2005 (10:48 am)
I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the GM boardroom -
"Dang, we lost Bigjay!”
While I appreciate the (I presume) humor in your post, the reality is that the STS also lost me as a (potential) customer – and many others. . .
And although the loss of any single customer may seem like a big deal, I believe that in the car business, where most customers only buy 1 car at a time, and only every 3 or 4 or 5 years, the loss of 1 customer does need to be looked at – at least superficially. . And where Caddy sells only 10% or so of the volume of Chevy (for example), every 1 lost sale is (or ought to be) even more important to Caddy.
I believe that I fall within Caddy’s stated demographic target for the STS V8. As previously (recently) buying 2 Lincoln LS V8s (since 1999 – a Y2K and a 2003), I actually think that I am close to the ideal “conquest” STS sale. I even buy new cars more frequently than any sane person would . .
There were several factors that drove me away from the STS. STS V8 (performance variant) pricing and option bundling were 2 issues. There were others.
For example: If someone (today) put a gun to my head and demanded: “Choose between an Infiniti M45 Sport (no options) and an STS V8 as well equipped as possible for the same Transaction Price as the M45.” - I would choose the M45 Sport immediately without hesitation and without any reservations.
This does NOT mean that I don’t think the STS is a good car. But I do not believe that it represents (even at GM Employee Pricing for a 2005 = $52K for a Lux. Perf. with MSRP = approx. $59K) a terrific value. For several reasons, I see the Infiniti as a better value.
And in my test drives, more fun.
But that’s just 1 (lost) customer’s opinion.
Waddo I know???
#1101 of 1325 Re: Cadillac Style? [rayainsw]
Aug 18, 2005 (6:00 pm)
I agree the Infiniti M3/45 is a great car. It was my second choice. But Infiniti lost my sale - like GM lost your sale.
The STS outsells the M's every month. And the CTS outsells the G series almost 2 to 1. In fact, the CTS is fast becoming a big hit with the 30 and under crowd.
In terms of performance and quality , I saw little difference. Both had strong and weak points, I chose the STS based on style and being an American product.
Some people like the continual, indistinct and safe generic styling of Asian cars. Personally, I like Cadillac's " in your face " look. Bold and American through and through. And as a business owner, I like spending my dollars on quality American products.
#1102 of 1325 My NEW STS
Aug 19, 2005 (6:40 am)
I lost interest in Cadillac after they miniturized the Eldorado in the 90's and moved over to Lincoln. The older town cars were a dream, but again the manufacturers had to fool with the design and made a big sloppy living room on wheels.
I cannot express what a delight the STS is too drive (this comes from an old race car driver who has owned nearly 100 cars).
I love surprising the fools at the redlight that think its a stagnent old Cadillac.
Sure there are things that could be improved, the glove compartment is worthless,
and dont plan on a lot of bags when you go on vacation (oh, for that Lincoln trunk!);
you cant find the garage buttons at night and I just paid to have a connection plug put in for my radar detector, so the wire was not all over the dash.
But the looks and handling make up for all its faults.
#1103 of 1325 Re: My NEW STS [stiles]
Aug 20, 2005 (8:02 am)
The big FWD Eldorado was the 1971-78 models. But the smallest Eldorado was the 1986-1991 models. The 1992 Eldorado was a decent sized car, larger than the current STS.
#1104 of 1325 Re: bluetooth [mnjoe]
Aug 21, 2005 (2:08 am)
Morola Razr buetooth works flawlesssly. Can control the phone while driving using the voice commands.
The voice command "Phone Dial Name" will have VR prompt you for the name which you assigned to a particular number. VR will repeat the name and require you to state "Yes" to have number dialed. Remember to listen forVR's beep before talking.
I have succeeded in having the car recognize the phone consistently on startup, if phone is already on and broadcasting on Bluetooth when car is started
#1105 of 1325 Any weird troubles with STS V6?
Aug 21, 2005 (7:13 pm)
I previously owned an Eldorado. I now have a Chrysler 300M, which is of course no comparison, and with the lease coming up, I test drove the STS V6.
I was surprised at the smooth torque of the V6 - heads and shoulders above every other V6 I have test driven. I love the steering and smooth ride. But here's the thing...
My Eldorado had a lot of electrical and computer problems. Cadillac were not interested in accomadating or compensating me in any way. The dealer, Casa de Cadillac in Sherman Oaks, CA. was downright offensive about it, despite the many trips to their service department. Knowing that I cannot rely on Cadillac to rectify such situations, I am wondering if anyone has had any odd experiences with the STS? Any things consistantly breaking down or going haywire? I love the drive of the STS and can't find anything else like it, but am nervous about returning to Cadillac.
Thanks in advance.
Aug 22, 2005 (1:58 am)
I have been eagerly waiting for this car to come out ever since I saw it at the Detroit Auto Show. Of course, I'm not interested in buying the STS-V because it's price is way above my budget.
But has anyone here driven or own an STS-V? How do you feel the interior, engine, power delivery handling is? How does it stack up to its competitors? I'd be interested in knowing, thanks.
#1108 of 1325 Re: Any weird troubles with STS V6? [velostic]
Aug 22, 2005 (3:33 pm)
Not one problem in over 5K miles.
I do have an excellent dealer and I am confident they will
help me if the time comes.
Because of past disappointments with GM, I chose to lease this time.
My only regret is I didn't load the car up more.
Like you, I find the V6 to be an excellent engine.
And the trans - same as BMW's - is smooth and shifts properly.
Do yourself one favor.
Test drive the actual car you will lease/own.
Drive it for a least an afternoon.
I test drove several and one - only one - did not shift to my liking.
So I they got me another - no questions or problems.
It's been "spot on".
#1109 of 1325 Re: Any weird troubles with STS V6? [baltoman]
Aug 22, 2005 (4:06 pm)
Drove the car (V6) and thought it was awesome. The reason why I didn't buy was the bundling of packages, some things I didn't want (spoiler) and some it didn't have (magnetic ride control). It is a nice car though, but due to poor resale, you were smarter to lease.