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BMW X3, SUV
#545 of 4187 My X3 interior
Jan 20, 2004 (6:47 am)
I bought a black M3 with red interior sight unseen and it was beautiful, I bought a black X3 with black carpet and Terracota interior and I said it will be beautiful. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have owned many BMW's as previously stated and I can say for a fact having owned a 1995 325i, 1996 328Ci, 1997 528I, 1998 Z3, 2001 330CIC, 2001 X5 3.0, 2002M3 Convertible and 2003M3 coupe that the interior is on par with all the 3 series based vehicles but not quite to the same standards as the 5 series or X5 and that is why there is a $5000 upgrade to get the same specs on a X5 as a X3. My M'3 have a really nice interior and nice leather but I wouln't say they were significantly different from the X3 and in fact I find very little if any difference from my 330CIC which had leather but not the premium package. I have ridden in Lexus and they probably have a nicer interior but that's their key attribute along with quality and nice smooth ride.
In response to the handling of the X3 compared to the X5 3.0 I own it does not have the sport package and the X3 I test drove did not either.
The X3 just feels a little lighter and doesn't plow as much through turns and when braking. The X5 is a great vehicle and I would highly recommend it.
#546 of 4187 accolades blue guy
Jan 20, 2004 (7:30 am)
you write far better than 99.975632% of the automotive journalists, who probably don't even know the difference between connolly and montana or don't have a clue how the coefficient of friction of a gear teeth helps a car... etc.
*applause & drum rolls*
Jan 20, 2004 (8:10 am)
Thanks. I wish I'd been as impressed with the X3 as the folks at Edmunds. But alas, the bar's set pretty high for me while my cheap gene still remains intact. I see 40k on a sticker and I expect quite a bit. Some minor interior changes and maybe some way to retard the xDrive (or a RWD option!) and I'd have been much happier with it.
Jan 20, 2004 (2:09 pm)
if i were running a car mag, i'd fire all my joker editors (since when did all reporters become editors?) and hire you...
#549 of 4187 missing the point
Jan 20, 2004 (5:04 pm)
blueguy said "Wish that were true as you can't throw a stone in So Cal without hitting a BMW."
I wasn't taking about BMW cars as a whole. I was talking about MY x3.
The X3 is a perfect SAV, that's sports activity vehicle. I dont see any luxury word in SAV. If BMW says it's a luxury SUV. Then it's perfectly OK to bash on it. BMW made a perfect vehicle w/ everything on it. it's sporty,a lot of cargo room, all wheel drive and a dash of class. this car is for young people with a sense of adventure and has a sporty sense of style. not for old people who cant even balance themselves on a bike.
Die hard BMW fans maybe saying that the X3 is a step backward for BMW. Would you be surprise if i tell you that there's a 10 seater mercedes benz family van in my country. If they introduce it here im sure people would march in the streets protesting mercedes benz. But thats how it works. welcome to the real world. Dont really care if i'm the only god forsaken human being to own an x3. for me it's a blessing. for me,price is not one of my criteria in choosing this suv. if some people cant afford it i'm sure there's a lot more capable suv to choose from. that why i know that i'm one of the few happy owners of the x3..(snobbish huh...)
Jan 20, 2004 (5:11 pm)
"this car is for young people with a sense of adventure and has a sporty sense of style. not for old people who cant even balance themselves on a bike."
I disagree, the X3 is for people who want BMW feel, AWD, a bit more cargo area than the 3-series and don't need an X5. AWD is important, I wouldn't even be looking at AWD if it weren't for the last few winters.
As blueguy talked about the power sapping xdrive. Well maybe it would be nice to electronically disable it, but I was very happy it was there flogging the vehicle on ice and snow. Maybe the FX offers the same feel, I dunno, but I'm not fond of the looks.
The 3-series is as perfect as car as you can get, a SAV, any SAV by definition is a compromise. But BMW was true to itself (except for the door slam) in the X3.
The 760s door closes with the most satisfying thunk.
Jan 20, 2004 (7:17 pm)
The X3 is a perfect SAV, that's sports activity vehicle. I dont see any luxury word in SAV. If BMW says it's a luxury SUV. Then it's perfectly OK to bash on it.
BMW's are supposed to be premium. Don't believe me, well the Chairman of BMW said so at the Automotive News World Congress:
"With its BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce brands, BMW focuses entirely on the premium business..."
this car is for young people with a sense of adventure and has a sporty sense of style.
BMW really doesn't skew young. That's VW and Scion's turf. BMW skews toward $$$ and brand loyalty.
not for old people who cant even balance themselves on a bike.
Take a gander at the average age of BMW buyers. It's not under 30, chief.
Die hard BMW fans maybe saying that the X3 is a step backward for BMW.
Not at all. It's a sensible choice for BMW as a luxury player to duke it out with other compact lux SUVs like the RX and FX (really the interior volume is compact!).
for me,price is not one of my criteria in choosing this suv.
Priced at Range Rover's 70-80-90k level, I'd imagine you'd say otherwise.
if some people cant afford it i'm sure there's a lot more capable suv to choose from.
Actually, my ZHP cost about the same (MSRP was 3k higher) as the X3 3.0i I had for a few days.
that why i know that i'm one of the few happy owners of the x3..(snobbish huh...)
Few as defined by number purchased or do you believe the 40k msrp makes it exclusive? The cost would not be a stumbling block. I get you like the car but now you're acting like the X3 is some kind of exclusive, premium vehicle. Uh, it's not. If BMW can move 300k of them a year, they will.
#552 of 4187 Whine, Whine
Jan 20, 2004 (8:31 pm)
I can't believe how many whiners are on this site. I'm not a BMW owner but I plan to be one soon. I've been waiting for a reasonable SUV to be designed and I think the BMW team has done a very good job. When you price other SUVs and add the features provided on the BMW, the X3 is only 2 to 3 thousand extra. It gets 15 to 20% better gas mileage which is worth a $100 to $200 dollar savings per year (if you drive 10000 miles). The maintenance is free for the first 4 years (easily worth $200 per year). Then you have the extra resale value. Certainly a person could justify spending an additional $1000 for the"fun" driving experience.
#553 of 4187 missing the point .......again
Jan 20, 2004 (8:37 pm)
1. premium is different from luxury. you can have a premium sports car but not a luxury sports car.
2.dont tell me VW and all other companies doesn't skew for money. what i'm saying is BMW targets younger costumers WITH the x3. lets face it, a 50 year old man will never look at the x3 the same way a 30 yr old will.
3.well i dont like the range rover. could have gotten the x5 (55K) but it doesn't fit my needs.If anybody thinks they got a better suv with te same price as the x3....Congratulation. remember buying a car is a matter of taste.
4.did i say it's exclusive..hmmm.let me go up and review my post. oh i said "Dont really care if i'm the only god forsaken human being to own an x3. for me it's a blessing. for me,price is not one of my criteria in choosing this suv. if some people cant afford it i'm sure there's a lot more capable suv to choose from. that why i know that i'm one of the few happy owners of the x3..(snobbish huh...". let me explain:a lot of people hate this vehicle. i dont care if sales of the x3 plumet, Ill still be one happy x3 owner. the thing is not exclusive but for me it's a premium vehicle.
#554 of 4187 blueguydotcom
Jan 20, 2004 (10:35 pm)
I enjoyed your in-depth review, though I did not agree with all of your observations. You trash the looks of the X3:
"From the side, one might be able to guess Bimmer by the headlight design but really with is long flat surfaces, uninterrupted lines and lack of any hard creases, the X3 could easily blend in with the mini-ute crowd."
I agree that the X3 does not scream design like some Italian cars do, but as far as I can tell, BMWs have always looked understated. That's what makes them so appealing...like a wolf in sheeps clothing, they handle great without screaming: look at me. Having said that, I do think the look of the X3 has a level of sophistication just plain lacking in the RX and FX. My first impression of the FX was: wow, now that looks cool. But the more I study it, the less I like it (it's just trying too hard). Same with the RX. What's up with the back end?
With the X3 it was the other way around. First impression was: Could be a bit bolder. But every time I see it while driving by the dealer in the morning, it just keeps looking better and - yes -more sophisticated. Maybe that's why BMW's seem to age so well.
But couldn't agree more with your conclusion:
"In the end, it's the marriage of the engine, suspension, tranny and drivetrain that determine if a vehicle is up to snuff....Over the course of a few days I drove close to 200 miles with the X3 3.0. I encountered everything from city streets to rush hour traffic to wide open freeways to twisty tree-lined roads. On all of them the X3 delivered a satisfying experience."
That captures it all in a nutshell. From what I can tell, few on this forum have complained about the X3's handling or driving experience....and that's precisely why I bought one and am looking forward to driving one.