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BMW X3, SUV
#3281 of 4187 Re: Class Action Suit [Bait]
Nov 10, 2009 (9:03 pm)
I agree with your frustration. The X3 is doing nothing to help BMW's image. The suspension problems and the herky-jerky transmission in a premium car are absurd.
I have been driving BMWs for a long time and I wish I had gone with Lexus this time around.
I have heard all the nonsensical statements from the self-proclaimed BMW fans. The reality is that I have driven the 5s and the 3s and the sedans drive NOTHING like the X3. They have transmissions that shift smoothly and firm/sporty but not bouncy suspensions.
Exactly how hard is it for a big manufacturer to make a slightly taller 3 series that drives like it should? They have received lots of bad reviews and now I can see why.
They were supposed to have fixed the suspension in 2005 and then again in 2007 and my 2009 drives like ****. They went to a new transmission in 2007 and supposedly have another (rumor) fix in 2010.
In the meantime, the frustrated customer ends up having to spend an unbelievable amount of time trying to figure out what is poor design and what is actual defect. What a mess.
What a blooming mess.
#3282 of 4187 Re: 2010s unchanged [lawman1967]
Nov 10, 2009 (9:07 pm)
What does that matter to those of us who have cars that drive like ****?
You are lucky although if you are comparing it to MB then I will say that isn't much of a comparison. MB has had reliability problems for a long time and I wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot pole.
I do not doubt that your car is fine from your perspective but you seem to doubt that other X3's are **** from our perspective. Do you really think we want to waste gobs of time putzing around with brand new cars like this?
I should be able to pick up a new BMW and have it drive perfectly. Sure, there can be a glitch or two but I am talking about the heart of the car: the suspension and the transmission.
Don't even get me start about the window-fogging HVAC.
#3283 of 4187 x3 tranny problem
Nov 11, 2009 (5:37 am)
Is there nothing else to do with a tranny troubled 07 x3? Is anything going on regarding a class action suit? I can't believe BMW put out this terrible performing 6 speed auto transmission out for public consumption without some research.
#3284 of 4187 Re: x3 tranny problem [patc3080]
Nov 11, 2009 (12:36 pm)
FWIW people seem to be handling this problem individually. Some have said that they made a deal to turn in their malfunctioning AT for an MT or had it bought back in its entirety. I do not know for sure what is true and what is just babbling on the internet.
At any rate, no one can tell me what the difference is between an actual MT and driving the AT in MT mode. If the fault is in the software programming then why not just drive around in MT mode?
No one can tell me either why, if it is a sw problem, the AT supposedly drives worse in colder weather. Nothing much makes sense.
There are many excuses: you don't know how to drive a BMW, it is designed that way, they all drive that way, we can't recreate it, you must be imagining it, it was fixed with the last update in 2007, drive around in SD, etc but no final solutions except to get rid of the car asap.
They do acknowledge there is (was) a problem and, I agree with you, they should have stopped selling the car after the 2007s and gone back to the 5 speed transmission for 2008 and 2009. I have no idea what the 2010s and 2011s are going to have because, heck, that doesn't help us anyway.
#3285 of 4187 Re: x3 tranny problem [pp2009pp]
Nov 14, 2009 (6:14 pm)
At any rate, no one can tell me what the difference is between an actual MT and driving the AT in MT mode.
Well, the MT has three pedals, for one thing...
#3288 of 4187 Re: Class Action Suit [pp2009pp]
Dec 21, 2009 (10:33 am)
Lots of bad reviews? Like Edmunds.com citing it as the best-handling and most fun-to-drive crossover on the market?
Almost all bad reviews were on the original 2004~2006 models when equipped with sport package. From 2007 the ride was smoothed greatly, and without the sport package the car is still very firm, but is not in any way bouncy.
There is no comparison between an X3 and a Lexus RX. Its like complaining that a 328i isn't as cushy as a Lexus ES350, when it should be compared with the (still softer than BMW) IS250.
This is a car/truck that rides stiff. It rides stiff so that it can handle well and not be floaty or tippy. If you do not like a stiff ride, you shouldn't buy a BMW.
#3289 of 4187 Bumpity, bumpity, bump, bump, sway, bump...
Dec 21, 2009 (5:02 pm)
The 2009 X3 has much to recommend it but to say that it rides 'stiff' like a 'BMW should' is absurd. BMWs ride stiffly and, to those of us who have driven BMWs FOR YEARS that is anticipated and expected.
The X3 doesn't ride stiffly, it sways side-to-side through the mid section, bucks from the front and bounces around on the most minor of road imperfections. Having a hot cup of coffee is taking a big risk in this car. Of course I am talking about MY CAR. Your mileage may differ.
Try comparing the ride to a BMW SEDAN. You get the stiff ride but the sedans do not continue to reverberate from the shock of hitting a mole hill or a tiny ridge in the road as the X3 does. This is also a very good way to check out the X3's psychotic transmission. The BMW SEDANs shift beautifully while the X3 can't figure out what it is doing unless you are lead footing the accelerator...in that case the X3 acts as it should and provides nice power and smooth acceleration. In either case, the X3 still downshifts to a stop as if it were confused by the process.
Talking about Edmund's own review, try checking out the longterm test drive on the inside line. They managed to destroy the suspension in an afternoon of riding around on a state maintained fire road. This was very much unexpected by the reviewers.
Yes, the Lexus RX, IIRC their best-selling car and the best selling luxury SUV/SAV around is not like the X3. It doesn't have the handling or the sportiness but it doesn't shake your bones around either. The X3's suspension - or whatever is causing this bouncing around - is absurd. It makes what should be an excellent car (except for the transmission and the lack of standard features) a big question mark.
BMW could have hit this one out of the park but it did not.
On the good side, I am pleased to say that the X3 has excellent and sure-footed handling on wet pavement. I hear that it is great in snow with the DTC but haven't gotten around to trying it out.
#3290 of 4187 Re: Bumpity, bumpity, bump, bump, sway, bump... [pp2010pp]
Dec 21, 2009 (7:16 pm)
Of course you blast the X3, you clearly got a lemon, and spend dozens and dozens of posts telling everybody.
My car doesn't pogo around. My car doesn't shift abruptly. My car has no problem with upshifts, downshifts or much of anything else.
My car is a bit stiffer than my Mercedes C300 sport, and about the same as my friend's 128i sport package. My car (no sport package, 2009 base X3) handles like a dream on any surface, has a wonderful transmission that easily matches the excellent 7 speed in my Mercedes for smoothness.
I recently did a 300 mile drive from Los Angeles to Las Vegas in the X3 and all four occupants were comfortable and enjoyed the ride. Of course, my X3 isn't a lemon. What it is, is the best new car ever in my family. Zero defects, zero issues, 19,000 perfectly trouble-free miles and at 80 MPH on the way to Vegas it even gave us 27 MPG.