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3287 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 6:14 PM
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Replying to: pp2009pp (Oct 22, 2009 9:28 pm) "What" is death. What's the cost of blowing it off vs. the cost of paying a negligence suit when someone gets killed? Nothing like someone else rolling the dice with my life. Doesn't it give you that nice fuzzy feeling?! I don't think they're going to like the publicity (with all this being dredged up) once that happens. |
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Replying to: MLB6 (Oct 22, 2009 4:34 am) We get it! you got a bmw w/problems, you're Stuck & you're Steamin'. But you're just wasting peoples time here when you don't even consider their suggestions to deal with it, & apparently aren't doing much yourself, besides endless complaining.......Why should anyone here keep trying to be helpful???
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Replying to: woodyww (Oct 23, 2009 10:40 am) Believe it or not, THAT is helpful to me. |
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"Dear SM: Thank you for your time last night. Could you share with your shop foreman (sorry his name escapes me) the information below and have him verify that what I experience with the transmission of the X3 is explained as he did last night. Lack of immediate throttle response - this is an electronically controlled transmission (as opposed to a cable) and the brain needs a second or so to think and send an instruction to the transmission for a response Lack of acceleration or feel of not getting out of the way during corner or turn (binding feeling) - this is the stability control taking over and not allowing the car to accelerate so that the driver does not experience under or over steer Feeling every gear change as the car up shifts - BMW engineers their cars so that the drivers "feel" the car. They could program this out but its a conscious choice to give a feel to the vehicle Hard shifting and binding feel when in traffic - BMW has a 1-2 1-2 transmission lock that if it senses consecutive shifts from 1st gear to 2nd, back to 1st and into 2nd it will lock into 2nd gear as a way to "save fuel" during stop and go traffic. Binding and noticeable down shifting when rolling to a stop - this is a characteristic of the AWD. You feel things because the front transmission mechanisms are still turning. " ---- from another forum and interesting take on all the problems. So, apparently, these aren't actual problems but are design features that someone actually sat down and decided were a good idea to include in a vehicle. What is binding? Is binding the same as short stopping? So the X3 can have stability control or acceleration on turns but not both? So the lower end X3 provides heavy (clunking) gear shifting while the higher end 5's do not on purpose? What? So the X3, in order to save a little fuel, provides hard shifting or lack of acceleration on purpose? What? Oh goodness. 
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Replying to: pp2009pp (Oct 23, 2009 6:03 pm) Here's what baffles me. Why would you have to continually "fix" a non-existent problem? Why you would have to continually "fix" that which is operating "as designed"....or operating "normal"? In my opinion, despite the rhetoric, having us come back time and time again is an admission that none of this is "Normal" (that along with the large number of BMW dealership people who've already admitted the problem exists). Of course, we know it's not ("normal"), but my question is this. Isn't this enough, given the size of this issue and the people it's effecting, for a class action suit?
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Replying to: Bait (Nov 09, 2009 8:41 pm)  status depending on the laws in your state. The rumor is that another update is coming soon but that may be just wishful thinking on the part of those who get all the customer complaints. The noreverse.org people have it even worse IMO. I don't see any recent updates on a class action suit. Honestly, if this is 'as designed' it is time to find other designers because none of this stuff shows up in the 3 and 5 sedans that I have driven. It is interesting that you say you have mechanical problems. People were saying that the AT problems are worse in cold weather which seems to point to something more than just sw. Have you ever tried the MT mode? I haven't found anything on how well that functions in AT as few people who opt for an automatic seem to want to try that out.
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Replying to: pp2009pp (Nov 09, 2009 10:45 pm)
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That makes the X3 in its 7th year of production. In other words, if it ain't broke...... Again, 2009 X3 is BY FAR the best new car my family has ever seen, better even than my 2009 Mercedes C300. ZERO DEFECTS, ZERO ISSUES, TERRIFIC DRIVE!!!!
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Replying to: Bait (Nov 10, 2009 2:56 pm) I have been driving BMWs for a long time and I wish I had gone with Lexus this time around. I have heard all the nonsensical statements from the self-proclaimed BMW fans. The reality is that I have driven the 5s and the 3s and the sedans drive NOTHING like the X3. They have transmissions that shift smoothly and firm/sporty but not bouncy suspensions. Exactly how hard is it for a big manufacturer to make a slightly taller 3 series that drives like it should? They have received lots of bad reviews and now I can see why. They were supposed to have fixed the suspension in 2005 and then again in 2007 and my 2009 drives like ****. They went to a new transmission in 2007 and supposedly have another (rumor) fix in 2010. In the meantime, the frustrated customer ends up having to spend an unbelievable amount of time trying to figure out what is poor design and what is actual defect. What a mess. What a blooming mess.
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Replying to: lawman1967 (Nov 10, 2009 8:24 pm) You are lucky although if you are comparing it to MB then I will say that isn't much of a comparison. MB has had reliability problems for a long time and I wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot pole. I do not doubt that your car is fine from your perspective but you seem to doubt that other X3's are **** from our perspective. Do you really think we want to waste gobs of time putzing around with brand new cars like this? I should be able to pick up a new BMW and have it drive perfectly. Sure, there can be a glitch or two but I am talking about the heart of the car: the suspension and the transmission. Don't even get me start about the window-fogging HVAC. |
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