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You are in the BMW X3 & X5
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BMW X3, SUV
#3261 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [woodyww]
Oct 17, 2009 (2:28 pm)
The problems are intermittent which not only makes them difficult to diagnose but also makes working around them impossible. The dealer felt the ride problem when I drove with them but not when they drove by themselves.
The AT work around involves driving in SD (which actually makes the sudden slow down more severe) or, worse, in MT mode all the time. I don't see either being remotely viable. I'm still trying to figure out how the lemon laws work on intermittent problems.
I'll give CR a big black mark for calling this minor. It isn't minor and it isn't just in the 2007's either.
#3262 of 4187 PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!!
Oct 17, 2009 (7:32 pm)
Simply put, buying a BMW is like rolling a dice, but only once. You could get a six, or to PP and myself, we got one's. That's too bad, and it's the reality. PP you asked too many questions, all the questions you have on the transmission and drive... you are not the only one, and probably not the last. But the problem here is that the answers are already all here in the internet, you just failed to connect the dots.
To make the Lemon Law work for you, the LL Lawyer would do all the work for you. Don't worry about intermittent, whether they are all the same or not. The LL Lawyer just need to send a notice to BMWNA and trust me, this saga of your's will be over in no time. Without the LL Lawyer, they won't care less. LL is the ONLY weak spot for BMW. You don't need to know anything, simple as that. We are just interested if you have talked to a LL Lawyer or not. If not, why not?
#3263 of 4187 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [MLB6]
Oct 18, 2009 (1:15 pm)
I take your meaning regarding the LL's but I don't understand what you mean by asking too many questions.
#3264 of 4187 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [pp2009pp]
Oct 21, 2009 (7:47 am)
PP, LIFE IS TOO SHORT to drive a car full of imperfections in the driving, not to mention cars with defects that are permanent.
I don't know why anyone would want to buy a car that has a good possibility of being born with driving issues. And why they would consider buying such a car with so many possibilities of potential future problems down the road? I don't care about the reward of owning a properly functioning BMW when they have such little quality controls over the making of their products, and having problems that cannot be fixed immediately and in the first time. Life is too short to have to have to explain the problems and tolerate the pathetic look on their faces, questioning you "Problems? What Problems?" And life is too short to have to deal with such crappy customer service in a "premium car company".
Life is too short to deal with such companies that do not stand behind their products. And would not even come out and DEFEND what they said their company stands for or how their product is supposed to mean what they said it means.
You asked: "I don't understand what you mean by asking too many questions" That's because hearing all your complaints, you're still questioning this or that, like whether you can go LL, whether some behavior are "normal" or not. My response: if Lemon Law cannot apply in your situation, I don't know what LL is supposed to be for. LL was made to force carmakers to take back their Lemon Vehicles without the need for the company to answer any questions. Life is too short, go LL or take your loss right away. Questioning is a waste of time.
#3265 of 4187 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [MLB6]
Oct 21, 2009 (8:02 am)
Fortunately, the X3 is NOT such a vehicle. Bought my wife's X3 in February 09 (2009 model) and so far it is the BEST new car ever in my family, and there have been many.
I just bought a new Mercedes C300 last month and had to take it back for a few minor issues, which has been the case in every car I've ever owned EXCEPT the X3, which arrived with ZERO DEFECTS and at 18,000 miles remains absolutely trouble-free.
Our X3 has been so good that I seriously considered getting another one instead of the Mercedes.
#3266 of 4187 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [lawman1967]
Oct 21, 2009 (9:57 am)
My 2009 X3:
- fails to accelerate from a stop.
- surges for no reason on flat roads.
- stops short during deceleration.
- bounces several times for no apparent reason.
- bucks and sways for no apparent reason.
- fails to find R.
- fails to find a gear, goes back and forth causing bucking
- Etc, etc, etc....
These are all intermittent problems but now the X3 is developing brand new ones that are unrelated to either the transmission or the suspension.
The dealer's answer for the transmission problems - drive in continually in SD mode.
What kind of an answer is that for a brand new, seriously expensive car?
#3267 of 4187 There is only one answer....
Oct 21, 2009 (7:03 pm)
I'm serious as a heart attack. I've been through this with them. I played their game by their rules and, well, let's put it this way. Would I be posting this if the outcome was pleasant?
The ONLY answer is a Lemon Law attorney. Before you say it, you're right, who the hell wants to go there....but I'm serious....you either get one now or keep sending that check in month after month as your "days in the shop" continue to pile up until they've got you past the point of no return with respect to the law. The dealer has NOTHING to do with BMWNA. Forget the dealer, period. They're independent and will stand firmly that to distance themselves from this issue, and believe me, they know this is an issue as I've had service managers tell me about this problem as well as people on the sales floor, but, they can't do anything about it because the issue is directly with BMWNA.
#3268 of 4187 Re: There is only one answer.... [Bait]
Oct 21, 2009 (8:34 pm)
Exactly what keeps BMWNA or the dealer (who depends on BMW exclusively after all) from claiming that there is NO PROBLEM?
The LL kick in after 4 attempts at a fix. If they keep insisting there is NO PROBLEM then they can run out the 12 month clock and wash their hands of this stinking *** car.
#3269 of 4187 Re: There is only one answer.... [pp2009pp]
Oct 22, 2009 (4:34 am)
Question: "Exactly what keeps BMWNA or the dealer (who depends on BMW exclusively after all) from claiming that there is NO PROBLEM?" Another question again PP?... although not exactly a bad question. What they are REALLY telling you, is that according to BMW head office, the symptoms you have are "common" or "normal" (but doesn't mean they all have them). And if you need to resolve this, you should use LL. But as a dealer, they cannot tell that to you explicitly.
PP, Seems like you are so motivated to find the truth, perhaps you can do something about this and REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE by writing to Washington. Urging them to start an investigation on what's really behind this behavior from BMW, BMWNA and the dealers.
Quote: "If they keep insisting there is NO PROBLEM then they can run out the 12 month clock and wash their hands of this stinking *** car." That's why we've been telling anyone here who would listen, rather then keep asking questions... But no, don't fall into BMW's game plan, and go directly to the LL Lawyers. The lawyers will tell you that while the dealer told you "NO PROBLEM", this will not diminish your rights under the Lemon Laws.
#3270 of 4187 Re: There is only one answer.... [MLB6]
Oct 22, 2009 (12:17 pm)
There are 38 complaints on the 2007 X3 - not all transmission - on the NHTSA ODI website. That SHOULD be Washington DC. I have no idea what they do with that information other than store it and mull it over.
It takes people dying for anyone to take notice. Heart-thumping inability to accelerate, short stopping, almost getting into accidents, etc. simply don't make the grade.