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You are in the BMW X3 & X5
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BMW X3, SUV
#3258 of 4186 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [lawman1967]
Sep 29, 2009 (8:42 pm)
Lawman, who are you to say what I do and do not have. You have:
1. never driven my car
2. never ridden in my car
3. never looked at my car
I am not assuming anything about your car, I take your opinions to be honest. My X3 2009 is the most abysmal drive I have ever experienced. It has the herky jerky acceleration that many people have written about, the nauseatingly bouncy ride that professional reviewers have written about and the strange engine brake that many other people have experienced as a sudden pull back.
These are well documented on the X3. Just because you are not experiencing them is meaningless to those of us who do.
I suspect you have read the many threads that talk about these issues with the X3 along with the review that said the X3 was the worst car in the BMW lineup or the review that said the X3 had a concussive ride or the review that said the X3 suspension was made of rocks.
I do not know for sure if I have a lemon. According to the dealership, my car drives just like the other new X3 in the lot. Do you want to dispute that with the dealership? Please do so. Then maybe they will fix my car. OTOH, if my car isn't different from other X3s then I am really shocked with BMW.
#3259 of 4186 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Sep 29, 2009 (10:59 pm)
OK, that was a bit harsh. I would have edited it but I ran out of time.
#3260 of 4186 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Oct 16, 2009 (2:06 pm)
I'm curious: how many times have you taken it back to the dealer? Have you researched what it'd take to get it declared a Lemon? Tried to get a "zone manager" involved, (or whatever the bmw equivilent is, if any)?
Or, taken it to a good indie bmw repair shop to get a diagnosis, or at least confirmation of your problem (s)? That'd be my advice.......
BTW, CR gives the x3 generally good reliability marks, but a giant black mark for the '07's under "trans., minor". (I'd assume "minor" means the trans. isn't totally failing?, not saying I think it's minor).
#3261 of 4186 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [woodyww]
Oct 17, 2009 (3:28 pm)
The problems are intermittent which not only makes them difficult to diagnose but also makes working around them impossible. The dealer felt the ride problem when I drove with them but not when they drove by themselves.
The AT work around involves driving in SD (which actually makes the sudden slow down more severe) or, worse, in MT mode all the time. I don't see either being remotely viable. I'm still trying to figure out how the lemon laws work on intermittent problems.
I'll give CR a big black mark for calling this minor. It isn't minor and it isn't just in the 2007's either.
#3262 of 4186 PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!!
Oct 17, 2009 (8:32 pm)
Simply put, buying a BMW is like rolling a dice, but only once. You could get a six, or to PP and myself, we got one's. That's too bad, and it's the reality. PP you asked too many questions, all the questions you have on the transmission and drive... you are not the only one, and probably not the last. But the problem here is that the answers are already all here in the internet, you just failed to connect the dots.
To make the Lemon Law work for you, the LL Lawyer would do all the work for you. Don't worry about intermittent, whether they are all the same or not. The LL Lawyer just need to send a notice to BMWNA and trust me, this saga of your's will be over in no time. Without the LL Lawyer, they won't care less. LL is the ONLY weak spot for BMW. You don't need to know anything, simple as that. We are just interested if you have talked to a LL Lawyer or not. If not, why not?
#3263 of 4186 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [MLB6]
Oct 18, 2009 (2:15 pm)
I take your meaning regarding the LL's but I don't understand what you mean by asking too many questions.
#3264 of 4186 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [pp2009pp]
Oct 21, 2009 (8:47 am)
PP, LIFE IS TOO SHORT to drive a car full of imperfections in the driving, not to mention cars with defects that are permanent.
I don't know why anyone would want to buy a car that has a good possibility of being born with driving issues. And why they would consider buying such a car with so many possibilities of potential future problems down the road? I don't care about the reward of owning a properly functioning BMW when they have such little quality controls over the making of their products, and having problems that cannot be fixed immediately and in the first time. Life is too short to have to have to explain the problems and tolerate the pathetic look on their faces, questioning you "Problems? What Problems?" And life is too short to have to deal with such crappy customer service in a "premium car company".
Life is too short to deal with such companies that do not stand behind their products. And would not even come out and DEFEND what they said their company stands for or how their product is supposed to mean what they said it means.
You asked: "I don't understand what you mean by asking too many questions" That's because hearing all your complaints, you're still questioning this or that, like whether you can go LL, whether some behavior are "normal" or not. My response: if Lemon Law cannot apply in your situation, I don't know what LL is supposed to be for. LL was made to force carmakers to take back their Lemon Vehicles without the need for the company to answer any questions. Life is too short, go LL or take your loss right away. Questioning is a waste of time.
#3265 of 4186 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [MLB6]
Oct 21, 2009 (9:02 am)
Fortunately, the X3 is NOT such a vehicle. Bought my wife's X3 in February 09 (2009 model) and so far it is the BEST new car ever in my family, and there have been many.
I just bought a new Mercedes C300 last month and had to take it back for a few minor issues, which has been the case in every car I've ever owned EXCEPT the X3, which arrived with ZERO DEFECTS and at 18,000 miles remains absolutely trouble-free.
Our X3 has been so good that I seriously considered getting another one instead of the Mercedes.
#3266 of 4186 Re: PP2009PP, U R NOT THE ONLY ONE!! [lawman1967]
Oct 21, 2009 (10:57 am)
My 2009 X3:
- fails to accelerate from a stop.
- surges for no reason on flat roads.
- stops short during deceleration.
- bounces several times for no apparent reason.
- bucks and sways for no apparent reason.
- fails to find R.
- fails to find a gear, goes back and forth causing bucking
- Etc, etc, etc....
These are all intermittent problems but now the X3 is developing brand new ones that are unrelated to either the transmission or the suspension.
The dealer's answer for the transmission problems - drive in continually in SD mode.
What kind of an answer is that for a brand new, seriously expensive car?
#3267 of 4186 There is only one answer....
Oct 21, 2009 (8:03 pm)
I'm serious as a heart attack. I've been through this with them. I played their game by their rules and, well, let's put it this way. Would I be posting this if the outcome was pleasant?
The ONLY answer is a Lemon Law attorney. Before you say it, you're right, who the hell wants to go there....but I'm serious....you either get one now or keep sending that check in month after month as your "days in the shop" continue to pile up until they've got you past the point of no return with respect to the law. The dealer has NOTHING to do with BMWNA. Forget the dealer, period. They're independent and will stand firmly that to distance themselves from this issue, and believe me, they know this is an issue as I've had service managers tell me about this problem as well as people on the sales floor, but, they can't do anything about it because the issue is directly with BMWNA.