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BMW X3, SUV
#3251 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [cotmc]
Sep 24, 2009 (1:45 pm)
What I CAN say, for fact, is that my wife and I have been very happy with both of our X3 purchases. For an all-weather all-wheel drive SUV, you can't beat the steering, handling, and braking feel of our 2006 X3. It still feels tight as a drum, and it has been trouble-free. Everything about it provides us with a safe and secure feeling, including the capability of quickly maneuvering and avoiding a pending accident. The transmission and the throttle are very responsive. The interior design feels so open. It has a very efficient design.
+ 1 for our '06 X3.
We've had a couple of problems, which were quickly fixed under warranty, but overall the car has been very reliable.
Our only regret is not having the premium sound system. The Logic 7 systems in my previous 3 series and current 5 series are noticaably better.
We are interested in replacing it - with the new X3 fitted with the twin turbo I-6!
#3252 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [bruceomega]
Sep 24, 2009 (1:56 pm)
The 06 does not have the 6-speed GM6 Automatic Transmission.
I do not know how the ride compares to the 2009 as I have not been able to find anything that says what BMW fixed if anything from the original 2004 model.
#3253 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Sep 26, 2009 (7:58 am)
The 06 does not have the 6-speed GM6 Automatic Transmission.
Not sure what you mean by this, as I never said it did.
Our '06 X3 has the older engine with a 5 speed AT. We like that a lot, but I think we would like the more powerful engine and 6 speed AT introduced in the '07 model even more.
If BMW offers the twin turbo in the new X3, then we would lust after that! My 535Xi has spoiled us.
#3254 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [bruceomega]
Sep 26, 2009 (10:00 am)
OIC. Yes, you lucked out on the 06. Maybe fewer HP but many fewer potential problems.
NHTSA Item Number: 10028464
Service Bulletin #: SIB-12-17-07
Vehicle/Equipment Make: BMW
Vehicle/Eqipment Model: X3
Model Year: 2008
Mfg Component Code: 103000 POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Date of Bulletin: 2008-06-01
Date Added: 2009-05-05
Summary: BMW VEHICLE: ENGINE ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. POOR THROTTLE RESPONSE; LACK OF POWER WHEN ACCELERATING; ENGINE MAY CRANK TOO LONG BEFORE STARTING; LOSS OF POWER AT IDLE OR WHEN SLOWING TO A STOP. E83 (X3) MODELS. *PE
#3255 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Sep 29, 2009 (11:46 am)
What model year is your X3?
I had not been following the transmission issue for awhile as I thought that had been resolved.
My conjecture on preferring the engine - transmission in the current X3 over our '06 model was based on having previously owned an '06 330Xi, which I thought had the same engine and 6 speed AT as the current X3, and before that we owned an '01 330Xi, which I believe had the same engine & 5 speed AT transmission as our '06 X3.
I never had any trouble with the transmission in my '06 330Xi, and I much preferred it's performance over the '01 iteration. I wonder why the transmission worked so well in the sedan but not in the SAV.
#3256 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [bruceomega]
Sep 29, 2009 (12:31 pm)
The acceleration is jerky. It starts and stops and then finds a gear. It sometimes cannot move forward for awhile. Sometimes it has trouble finding R. Intermittent problems all.
I do not know if you have the same transmission in your 330xi. Do you have an excessively strong engine brake? I have to accelerate into turns now as it will come to a complete stop all by itself. It is worse in SD.
Can you decelerate in D while going downhill without brakes? I am curious to see who has the same problems as I do. I find it to be extremely finicky and temperamental.
#3257 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Sep 29, 2009 (12:59 pm)
The acceleration is nice and smooth on my 09 X3 automatic, better than my 05 C class Mercedes and easily equal to the 09 C class I test drove yesterday.
Ignore pp2009pp, he's one of the vocal (and extremely small) minority who got a lemon. The X3 is a mature product with the bugs long since worked out.
I had a new 07 Camry that went through rear brakes in like 5000 miles, REAR brakes. It was an issue with some 07s, and was corrected later on. Do I crap all over the Camry forums complaining that Toyota is selling junk? No, I just understand that not every single car is perfect. Except, of course, for the 09 X3 we bought earlier this year. It is, without a doubt, THE BEST new car we have ever bought.
16,000 perfect, trouble-free, smooth shifting high-performing miles later I am still thrilled with this wonderful vehicle.
Forget pp2009pp, you'll love the 09 X3 engine and tranny.
#3258 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [lawman1967]
Sep 29, 2009 (7:42 pm)
Lawman, who are you to say what I do and do not have. You have:
1. never driven my car
2. never ridden in my car
3. never looked at my car
I am not assuming anything about your car, I take your opinions to be honest. My X3 2009 is the most abysmal drive I have ever experienced. It has the herky jerky acceleration that many people have written about, the nauseatingly bouncy ride that professional reviewers have written about and the strange engine brake that many other people have experienced as a sudden pull back.
These are well documented on the X3. Just because you are not experiencing them is meaningless to those of us who do.
I suspect you have read the many threads that talk about these issues with the X3 along with the review that said the X3 was the worst car in the BMW lineup or the review that said the X3 had a concussive ride or the review that said the X3 suspension was made of rocks.
I do not know for sure if I have a lemon. According to the dealership, my car drives just like the other new X3 in the lot. Do you want to dispute that with the dealership? Please do so. Then maybe they will fix my car. OTOH, if my car isn't different from other X3s then I am really shocked with BMW.
#3259 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Sep 29, 2009 (9:59 pm)
OK, that was a bit harsh. I would have edited it but I ran out of time.
#3260 of 4187 Re: Is the X3 really the worst BMW ever? [pp2009pp]
Oct 16, 2009 (1:06 pm)
I'm curious: how many times have you taken it back to the dealer? Have you researched what it'd take to get it declared a Lemon? Tried to get a "zone manager" involved, (or whatever the bmw equivilent is, if any)?
Or, taken it to a good indie bmw repair shop to get a diagnosis, or at least confirmation of your problem (s)? That'd be my advice.......
BTW, CR gives the x3 generally good reliability marks, but a giant black mark for the '07's under "trans., minor". (I'd assume "minor" means the trans. isn't totally failing?, not saying I think it's minor).