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#2862 of 3287 Just Lease an 2006 X3 by freshwater Sep 18, 2006 (9:40 am)
I just traded in my 2005 G35 Coupe 8k for an X3 Black Saphire/Black. This is my first BMW and I try to compare to my G35 and my other SUV Murrano.   MSRP: 2006 X3:$40650       2005 G35:$37500       2006 Murrano:$38900 everything except DVD.   The X3 feels like driving my G35 but with less power. It realy drives good, stick to the road and the whole body act like one metal piece like a glove. So handling is awesome much better then murrano. X3 seats are not as good as Murrano or G35. X3 also used cheap plastic inside which kind of surprise me seeing such cheap quality on a 41K SUV. Also 6-CD changer is an option which should be a standard like Murrano with premium pkg. Bluetooth works good with my Verizon Moto Q. Still learning the voice commands, does any one knows a site which tells me all of their voice prompt commands for Mobile phone. The manual sucks and dosent explain these things in detail. Just drove 70 miles and can see the famous brake dust on the wheels. Murrano dont have this problem. I do like the M/S shift option in X3 to change to manual and sport. I used that in G35 also. Kids like the panoramic glass roof. X3 is narrow but has more depth in Cargo as compare to Murrano. As far AWD the real test will come in chicago Winter storm the reason I sell my G35.   Overall I am pleased by this X3 because I likes a driver CAR. Other options I had were ML350, RDX, RX350, Volvo but I went for X3, and X5 was too pricy and fuel hog. Can we used 87 or 89 fuel or only 91 grade. Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Sep 18, 2006 11:36 am) jrynn (Sep 18, 2006 1:06 pm) markcincinnati (Sep 18, 2006 5:13 pm)
#2863 of 3287 Re: Just Lease an 2006 X3 [freshwater] by markcincinnati Sep 18, 2006 (11:36 am)
Replying to: freshwater (Sep 18, 2006 9:40 am) You must use Premium fuel.   I have seen the upcoming (October) 2007 X3 and I am smitten with:   #1 Standard 260HP engine #2 Standard no cost choice: 6speed manual or 6speed auto #3 Major upgrade to the interior, especially the dash #4 Better integration of body color bumpers #5 Optional 19" wheels and tires #6 More standard equipment and more of what you would expect in a Package.   Imagine our disbelief at $47K at NOT having a built in garage door opener or an alarm system with enunciator (beep beep!)   We, too, love ours -- and the OLD engine is mostly just fine as wine IF it is mated to the 6speed stick. The new engine probably will be just fine with the 6speed steptronic what with the extra cog and the higher torque that goes with the 260HP.       For "content" purposes, the new 2007 is actually lower in cost at MSRP than the outgoing model.   I heard, don't know and haven't been able to confirm, that the new 2007 X3 has addressed some of the "harsh" ride concerns, too.   Dream time:   Take the upgraded X3, put the 3.0 twin turbo engine in it, offer either the stick or auto and offer dynamic roll stabilization (from the new X5.)   Talk about a swiss army knife of cars:   Car handling (and nimble at that, too.) Impressive power and economy (300HP 29MPG) Classy Interior (might be nice to up grade it even more with the swoopy dash integraing the iDrive screen a la the 335) Off road prowess Decent cargo carrying A real back seat (for two)   Tang! Wow!   OH YEA -- keep it with all the toys at $49,999 even if you have to make the auto transmission a $1250 option or vice versa (whatever the market research bears out, i.e.) Replies to this message: jrynn (Sep 18, 2006 1:06 pm) markcincinnati (Sep 18, 2006 5:13 pm)
#2864 of 3287 Re: Just Lease an 2006 X3 [markcincinnati] by jrynn Sep 18, 2006 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 18, 2006 11:36 am) Can we used 87 or 89 fuel or only 91 grade.   Premium is "recommended" not "required." If you use fuel with a lower octane rating, you MAY see a small decline in performance. Manufacturers test with higher octane fuel (and "recommend" but do not "require" it's use) because it permits them to report higher horsepower, higher torque, and faster acceleration numbers.   Check out post #55 in the "Acura TSX: Real world mileage" thread which has a link to a Washington Post article. Here's a short excerpt:   *****   "Automotive experts say using regular gas in most vehicles does no damage and makes no discernible difference in performance. Cars made in the past 15 years have such highly refined computer controls that the engine will adjust to the grade of octane in the gasoline, even in cars sold as requiring premium gasoline. Some drivers -- in some cars under some driving conditions -- may notice a drop in horsepower, but for most people behind the wheel, it wouldn't be enough to notice, the experts say.    "It's not going to hurt anything," said Peter Gregori, service manager for EuroMotorcars, a Mercedes-Benz dealer in Bethesda. In fact, Gregori has been using regular gas in one of his own Mercedes cars for two years, and "it's perfect," he said -- even though Mercedes-Benz says owners should use only premium.    "I get better mileage with the regular than I do with the high-test, in this particular model that I have," Gregori said. Among cars that come in for service, Gregori said, he can't tell which have been sipping premium." Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Sep 18, 2006 5:13 pm)
#2865 of 3287 Re: Just Lease an 2006 X3 [jrynn] by markcincinnati Sep 18, 2006 (5:13 pm)
Replying to: jrynn (Sep 18, 2006 1:06 pm) The BMW 3.0 engine CAN accept either regular or mid grade.   The engine, however, does REQUIRE Premium for optimum:   power, mileage and longentivity.   It is a false economy to use non Premium. It is wasteful to use Premium in a car that is designed to run on 87 or 89 octane.   The BMW engine NEEDS 91 octane due in large part to its high compression ratio. The engine management computer cannot lower the compression ratio -- it simply attempts to prevent pinging (pre ignition). The cost of doing this is less power, poorer mileage and over time shorter engine life.   Given that some customers might actually prefer to only put regular in their new Bimmers, BMW would (were it true) do itself a favor by simply saying "use regular."   Over a 50K period, I would suspect that BMW would have more unhappy customers due to the power, performance, mileage and longentivity signs if it did that.   A service manager willing to say use regular or use premium can be found and quoted easily.   The manufacturer has engineered and built the engines to run as they are intended on 91 or higher octane.   Our BMW service manager is adamant about using Premium and syn oil that passes certain regulations. FWIW.   The use of anything less than premium is wasteful.

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