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Replying to: tidester (Jul 26, 2006 9:36 am) I think you are right on with this synopsis, I will keep it mind when I buy my next watch!! 
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. . .but I started a very very generalized thread of conversations and perhaps some slight controversy over on the LPS forum when I postulated that there are three different kinds of buyers: American, European (but mostly German) and Asian (but mostly Japanese.) The speculation that was somewhat criticized for being too general and was, apparently, most supported is that those who gravitate to Japanese cars do so for reasons other than "the experience behind the wheel" often for reliability and durability (and ability to bypass service intervals without too many consequences.) Those who seem to embrace the German cars are wont to talk about their cornering capabilities and mostly aspects of the driving experience. Japanese car buyers seem to (generally) want as much isolation as possible from sound and feel -- an observation that those who buy the Japanese brands often talk about how quiet and comfortable they are, rarely mentioning how a certain corner can be taken at triple the posted speed with aplomb and with a downshift at the apex and a full-throttle controlled exit (perhaps with a hint of throttle steering to boot.) American car buyers often are quick to indicate a certain sense of Pride in the ownership of an American product -- and often are quite happy to discuss straight line acceleration. It is difficult to evoke much conversation about "driving" or the more visceral (other than straight line "git up and go!")characteristics of "the automobile" from American or Japanese owners. These days, much of the American car talk is around the new holy grail: third row seating, and the refinement of many of the American SUV's and pickup trucks. Sporting Sedan owners and shoppers seem keen to wax poetic about German driving 'sheens -- not so much the Japanese and American owners and shoppers. None of these owner traits is wrong or bad, nor is one better than the other -- what is important is what will make you a satisfied, happy and enthusiastic owner. What will make YOU rebuy the "country of origin." It is damn near impossible to get "unhooked" -- and this is due in large measure, I think, to the match of "your personality" and the "car's country of design, engineering and even build somewhat." The Infiniti M35X impressed me MOST as the closest to the German "feel" and I almost bought one -- at the last minute, I went back to Audi and got an A6. After numerous Audis, three TT's in a row in fact, my wife shopped Japanese, American and German and pretty much had decided to go with an A4 3.2, until she drove an X3 3.0 with the sport package and the 6 speed manual. It was all over then. We had driven the 330xi, the G35X, the Acura TL, the Mercedes C AWD version, a Saab, a Cadillac SRX, a Jeep Grand with the HEMI and on and on and on. The SRX with MagnaRide -- still even NOW -- believe it or not was a pretty close second for my wife, the lack of a stick shift probably threw it to the X3. The Mercedes complete abandonment of sticks, too, ruled them out. Even the 330xi cannot be had with a proper sport package, including sport suspension, seats, tires and wheels -- and servotronic, natch. The X3 was not derived as far as I can tell from a truck -- it has crisp 3 series handling -- can be "dolled up" with the sport, lux and electronic bits lux and near lux buyers have come to expect. It has a smooth as BUTTA engine that with the 6 speed is not underpowered (as it is when equipped with the 5 speed stutter-tronic -- although this will be remedied in MY 2007 with the 6 speed Steptronic and the high output (non turbo version) of the 3.0 with at least 255HP and better gas mileage.) If you are in lust with the Toyota you will probably not "get the X3" -- if you are a German car - type personality (way over generalized, I know) you will wonder "where's the beef" with the Toyota. Both types of personalities are good, acceptable, moral, decent, frugal and in their own way "fun" even. But, the differences are real. You probably won't enjoy the German car if you cut your teeth on Japanese cars and if your "crowd" is mostly full of Japanese car drivers. And, vice versa. If your peer group is totally mini-vans and pick-em-up trucks the X3 will seem flimsy and not very capable. The X3 is an SAV -- not an off-road SUV by any stretch. It can run with the sport sedan crowd within limits, and can at least hang with the SUV's without embarrassing itself. It is, however, mostly a sport sedan with some utility and space -- but it is most exciting when equipped with the stick. Virtually no one else offers this combination today. I submit, that there is no Toyota that even comes close. Conversely, if your "attitude" is more in keeping with Toyota's values and attributes, there is probably no way you will be happy with any BMW. Get what is "you" that is. 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jul 28, 2006 11:05 am) Conversely, if your "attitude" is more in keeping with Toyota's values and attributes... In my experience, the Camry isn't exactly the quietest with respect to road noise nor even close to the most comfortable. tidester, host |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jul 28, 2006 11:05 am) I think you put things accurately in perspective. I read a review of a Solara in the newspaper and I think it was a good review of Toyotas and most Japanese cars. The Solara is really a 2 door Camry, in 4 cylinder form it has beautiful finish, all the safety features and packs a lot of value for the price, around $25,000 U.S. It is totally anemic, no get up and go if you need it, say to move into traffic, and it is bland. Too bland to for the writer to consider and the 6 cylinder models are only slightly better. Even the writer acknowledges that these cars are as dependable as a car can be, but it is no joy to drive. And, I saw a similar review for the Lexus RX300. Competent but no enjoyment in driving...and no feel of the road or cornering ability. And hey, that is all some people need or want. Me, I am truly enjoying the ride and as far as repairs, I'll take my chances and see what happens. I think the risk is well worth it. I have driven quite a few rentals and tried out a few other cars and SUV's, but the X3 is truly a unique experience. (If I run into repairs down the road I will have no regrets, I will have loved and lost and I will try again, though it will be something else if that happens). |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jul 28, 2006 11:05 am) I don't know 'bout that. We have a TL and a Mini, and they drive and steer and ride completely different. But I honestly say I enjoy driving both. Sometimes I appreciate the power and isolation of the TL, but sometimes I like the somewhat unrefined visceral nature of the Mini. I think it's like food. I enjoy fine dining in posh restaurants as much as anyone. But sometimes a good old backyard BBQ, almost literally eating right off the grill, can also be as good as it gets.
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Replying to: bodble2 (Jul 28, 2006 5:48 pm) My last driving tests were, Volvo XC70 2006 by 10 days (07/06). Before this I’m through the experience to participate in "Driven to Find a Cure" (06/06) and one of test was X5 3.0, that I can easily use to compare with my X3 3.0 Steptronic. Before my X3, it was a Toyota 1996 RAV4 2.0, 5 speed, All wheel drive, 3 doors, 2.5 Tons or less (1996-2004) 120,000 miles. Also, between the last mentioned, I drove a PT Cruiser Turbo 2006, Camry 2006, Taurus 2006 foo sh_t, and Grand Am 2006. But, it have no value to make a comparison with thems. I’m always preferred to compare performance on cars and not the best bumpers or the best interiors.  My RAV4 was and amazing small SUV, it was fast for its weight and motor size and after change to the 3rd gear of course; it was also good in handling, moving on curves and in highway, and the best a lot of fun to drive it. But with a lack of pep and no roaring.  The X5 3.0 experiences it was like be in a big boat with very big waves coming from the front. It was to slow, I tried using also the steptronic and it was no change in performance like I quickly feel on my X3. Same combination of motor and transmission on my X3. But with a lack of pep and no roaring. The Volvo XC70, 5 Cylinders Turbo, Automatic – something like Steptronic. The performance of this was just remind me driving my RAV4. Lack of pep and no roaring. To eliminate the possibilities that I’m not fare when I compare the performance of my X3 with the previously mentioned. I use a judge, my wife. She is not a car lovers, but she have a very good sense to compare, and she agree with me. The X3 is not good in performance, is Xtremelly good in performance. Also, she degraded the X3 performance, but it was went we test the 550, 650 coupe, and 650 convertible.  03/04 X33.0 Alpine White, Montana Grey, Steptronic 
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Replying to: juanchypr (Jul 28, 2006 6:37 pm) BTW, what's "roaring"? 
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Replying to: bodble2 (Jul 28, 2006 11:57 pm) The other part is that (speaking in an admittedly over generalized way) those who love reliability, isolation, and are a bit more casual about servicing and fiddling with their cars, may find the X3 (or any German car) less to their tastes than a Japanese car. Conversely those who love being engaged, fully engaged in driving -- often characterized by the love of a manual transmission, for instance -- may find the Japanese car leaves them flat. A great representation of the "tone" or attitude that identifies the driver/owner personalities can be found in the brand new Car and Driver magazine review of the new Lexus ES350. The conclusion they reach is hardly a slam against the quality or value of the Lexus -- but it is an indication that those who want to be engaged with driving, may find such cars lacking in that certain je ne sais quoi. Now as to the use of "roaring" -- I am wondering if you were pulling my leg, but I will take it on face value that you want to know: Roaring: 1 a : to utter or emit a full loud prolonged sound b : to sing or shout with full force 2 a : to make or emit a loud confused sound (as background reverberation or rumbling) b : to laugh loudly 3 a : to be boisterous or disorderly b : to proceed or rush with great noise or commotion 4 : to make a loud noise during inhalation (as that of a horse affected with roaring) transitive verb 1 : to utter or proclaim with a roar 2 : to cause to roar
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Mark, YOur post reminded me of shopping for a minivan. First off no german or swedish offerings. I always thought a VW or Volvo offering would be sweet! Had to see the grand caravan and the dealer was so excited about "stow and go seating"! The space were all the seats can be folded into gives you storage! Like having a basement in the minivan. This was the big push, not the drivability or gerneral utility. Honda made a nice pitch with its great engine and double wishbone suspension with is a great set up, but like all hondas are noisy down below!. We went with the Sienna which was the quietest and had the nicest interior. The lack of the Honda like suspension was not enough penalty as we wanted our minivan to be a certain way! quiet and insolated. The point, we feel good about our japenese build minivan for the value they bring to the table. The american offerings just did not even come close to hitting our target. Gagetry does not work for us. even though we have the Sienna Limited which is about a Lexus when fully equipted. even has sonar based cruised control! I won't drive anything but a german make for the reasons you very will mentioned. My friends whom are not teutonic belivers don't get the repair/maintence costs associated with the fit and finish and the ride charactoristics obtained in these vehicles. some drive german makes for the prestige factors and still do. Many who derive the prestige factor above all have defected to Lexus and boast over how much less the cars need attention. My experince is the Lexus is almost perfection, but lacks soul! Lexus is the Caddilac for this generation. And there is nothing wrong with that at all! The german car lover loves cars and loves the driving experience just a bit different than those whom drive other makes. Its not better, its not elitist, and it may be outright dumb (cost wise) but its the pleasure we derive and are willing to pay for. I don't do drugs, don't drink or party. Never paid for a prostitute and don't gamble. I don't have a $50k home theature set up either. I don't modify either! My preference, and my drug is to drive an Audi or BMW!
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Replying to: bargamon (Jul 29, 2006 7:53 am) I'm with you, very well said. I don't think I could add anything except to say the X3 is meaningless to me as a status symbol. It is the finest vehicle I could ever want. Just a bit of a story here. I told my wife if sales reached a certain level in my company I would buy a G Class Mercedes Benz, I kind of like the squarish look. Well, sales reached that level, but I couldn't bring myself to actually buy one of those vehicles (looks to Nazi-ish anyway). But, I did try the X3 and I can't think of anything I would have liked more...and it is less than half the cost of the G-Class (so that will go a long ways to paying for any repairs)!
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