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Re: The Last Word [div2] by victord1
Dec 21, 2005 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: div2 (Dec 20, 2005 10:03 pm)

My uncle (ex-military fighter pilot) used to have one of those T-Bird turbo, until he ran it into a street light and totalled it.
 
I haven't owned a BMW yet. My 330i w/sport won't be here until the end of January, and we might even cancel the deal before then. But I have tested a few, and the one thing that tickles my curiosity is that ride has the best compromise between performance/sport and luxury. This aspect, however, is missing from the X3. According to some reviewers (and my cousin), the X3 ride is harsh and brittle especially with the sport package.
 
I personally haven't set foot in it yet. SUV or SAV are not my thing. I prefer seating closer to the ground.
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Re: The Final Last Word [bodble2] by davidc1
Dec 21, 2005 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 21, 2005 12:13 am)

Perhaps someone should create a X3 vs. RAV4 discussion? As far as the numbers go, I do think the new RAV4 will beat the X3 even with 255hp motor since the Toyota should be a lot lighter (I believe mags clocked RAV4 dong 0-60 in 6.5 secs). But I doubt a typical BMW buyer will cross-shop RAV4. That's just my guess. Non BMW fans might compare the two though.
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housekeeping by steve_ HOST
Dec 21, 2005 (8:03 am)
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Since large portions of the recent thread didn't focus much on the SUV, we decided to do a little year-end housecleaning.
 
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Re: The Final Last Word [davidc1] by kdshapiro
Dec 21, 2005 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: davidc1 (Dec 21, 2005 6:22 am)

There exists an archived thread X3 vs Forester vs ???. The Forester XT turbo has been clocked to 60 in under 5.3 seconds. It's fast. It's reliable. It's rated very highly by CR/IIHS etc. And the XT Turbo premium only has a hint of luxury.
 
In the comparo forum there were some very passionate arguments made toward the Forester and all of them were on the money. If one discounted the handling, amenities, feel of the car, and one doesn't have the extra 10 grand for the 3L the Forester is a compelling choice. If one has the extra money and discount the Foresters' fiery acceleration the X3 wins, IMO.
 
I suspect this will be something similiar with the RAV4. The Toyota fans are going to say hp, 0-60, value. The BMW fans are going to say handling, amenties and general performance. Nobody will be wrong. Just don't try to convince a BMW fan that HP = better performance. And don't try to convice a Toyota fan that BMW makes a better car.
 
BTW - I found the X3 to be as compliant as the old E46 in terms of ride. The sport package admittedly is a bit harsh, but it is an option.
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Re: The Final Last Word [kdshapiro] by steve_ HOST
Dec 21, 2005 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 8:04 am)

Out of the archives; we'll add the RAV4 to it for grins and see if others find the comparison apt.
 
BMW X3 vs Subaru Forester/XT vs Infiniti FX 35
 
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Re: The Ultimate Final Last Word [kdshapiro] by bodble2
Dec 21, 2005 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 4:50 am)

The V6 is more than just an engine option. (Well, maybe in US it is). And the base X3 2.5 is not just an X3 with a entry-level engine. A vehicle in that price range with vinyl seats, plastic bumper covers, no Homelink, alarm? Well, it's your money. No engine, no lux, but it has THE FEEL!! Ok. But like I said, it's your $$. To each his own.
 
Maybe the US market is different. But in Canada they have had low interest lease deals on the 2.5 for as long as I can recall. So they offer inducements 'cause the car is selling like hotcakes? And I kinda doubt the situation is any different down south.
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Re: The Ultimate Final Last Word [bodble2] by kdshapiro
Dec 21, 2005 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 21, 2005 10:09 am)

As was said previously you can customize a BMW. You can get it with absolutely nothing or load it up. I wouldn't get a stripper BMW nor a stripper Toyota or a stripper anything. I also wouldn't get a vehicle that was a take it or leave it proposition.
 
As far as the incentives and sales, you can check the sales figures. BMW for the last few years has been offering attractive lease deals on all of it's cars.
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Re: The Ultimate Final Last Word [bodble2] by designman
Dec 21, 2005 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 21, 2005 10:09 am)

Well, it's your money. No engine, no lux, but it has THE FEEL!! Ok.
 
Sarcasm again? You make it sound like it’s arbitrary and subjective. It’s more than that. The BMW “feel” means there certain build qualities, materials, specifications and tolerances that are engineered for performance. It does not reside in the imagination.
 
For instance, go look at any BMW with it’s front wheels fully cocked. They have the caster of a performance car aka sports car. This enables them to corner better. Also compare steering ratios of BMWs to other vehicles in their class. BMW’s have tighter ratios. This makes them more responsive. That’s just a few things.
 
From the shocks and springs, to the suspension settings, to the steering ratios, to the materials, to the gearing of the drivetrain et al, these are the things that comprise the “feel” of a BMW. Maybe some people don’t know what’s behind what they are “feeling” but they like it nonetheless. You don’t get this in a Toyota product. That’s why many people buy BMWs.

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