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BMW X3, SUV
#1817 of 4187 Re: More complaints or more raving reviews? [motorcity3]
Apr 14, 2005 (8:22 am)
I can understand your conerns about what you've read on this forum as it had me a little worried as well. But in the end I think it has mainly to do with first model year problems. Most of the creaks, howls and sensor problems seem to be associated with the 2004 models. You don't seem to hear as many complaints about the 2005 models but I'm sure a few minor glitches still linger. When test driving the X3 I had these complaints in mind and could not duplicate them. I never heard a squeak on the doors, I went on the highway with the moon roof open and didn't hear a howl and overall thought the vehicle was worthy of my hard earned cash. The 2005 models also have some subtle upgrades that I think add up to a more professional appearance than the 2004 models. The door handles inside are nowmade of a brushed metal as opposed to plastic and the bottom door sill has a metal lining with the BMW logo.
As a side note on the complaints of the howling sound, this is just simple physics. With pretty much any car you if you lower just the rear windows you will get a howling sound but once you crack one of the front windows thw sound will go away. It's the same with the moonroof. I've heard that in the first open position you don't hear the howling sound but when its completely open you get the howling sound until you crack open one of the rear windows and the sound goes away. Cracking the window gives the wind somewhere to escape rather than creating the bottle top like effect that causes the howling sound.
#1818 of 4187 Re: More complaints or more raving reviews? [motorcity3]
Apr 14, 2005 (10:15 am)
I have had my 2005 3.0i for 2.5 months, just over 2000 miles and no complaints at all. The SAV drives like a dream, no problems.
Apr 14, 2005 (11:34 am)
Call us obsessive complusive and fussy test drivers (my wife and me) -- but we did indeed test the X3 extensively over more than one visit to the dealer and we tested both manual and automatics, sport and non sport equipped versions (we ONLY tested 3.0 engine versions, however).
We could not believe the difference between the stick and auto -- two completely different cars, with the stick the car drove like, well, a BMW. With the auto, left in auto mode, the transmission could never seem to stay in any one gear for more than 5 seconds without either up or down shifting -- once we got to the Interstate this behavior pretty much went away. My friend with an X5 3.0 exclusively drives his in manu-matic mode to prevent the hunting behavior.
Ultimately, we had the choice down to a new A4 3.2 or the BMW X3 3.0 -- equipped as she wanted each "car" the price came out to be Audi 3.2 $44K and BMW X3 3.0 $46K.
The Bimmer lease with no up fronts (OK, $250 "down") was $581 per month for 36 months 15K miles per year, the Audi was $684 same terms.
The BMW as ordered:
Jet Black Gloss
Upgraded Sound System
Sirius Sat Radio
(Bluetooth and BMW Tele-Assist were part of a package).
We were able to drive an X3 3.0 with premium, sport, winter with a sitck shift and were impressed how close it felt to the A4 in terms of handling. The 18" wheels and tires on the X3 (with the sport suspension and sport seats) may have improved the ride and handling to offset the "SAV" nature of the Bimmer sufficiently.
Frankly, I think it was the stick shift that my wife was drawn to and the lack of a stick in the Audi that pushed her away. Of course there was that little matter of the Audi being $103 per month more for a car that cost $2000 MSRP less.
Funny, we have been playing "spot the X3" for about 3 weeks and have found NONE with the sport package (tell tale sign, the 18" wheels and the fancier trim bits) -- we assume they must be 2004's since the 2004 was criticized for being too stiff, so much so that BMW revamped the suspension in May after only being on the market for five months.
Drive one of these guys with the sport set up and a manual -- if the deals are still on for this thing, you will be grinning all the time you are behind the wheel.
#1820 of 4187 Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L?
Apr 16, 2005 (5:43 pm)
I know BMW recommends 91 octane gas for the 3.0L, but with gas going up and up, has anyone used 89 or 87 octane with any success?
Apr 16, 2005 (7:00 pm)
a few things about premium gas in BMWs:
BMW engineers are smart people, they say to use premium gas, then use it. They're not in Kahootz with the oil companies.
If you don't use premuim gas, the car's knock sensors will detect a lower grade of gas being used and therefore reduce power output. If that is the case, then save some cash and go for the 2.5i. You will notice the car's acceleration leaning toward the sluggish side and the fuel economy dwindle.
You're spending somewhere in the neighborhood of $40K for an X3 3.0i, is the extra $.20 per gallon going to kill you? It is like the people who run out and spend $5K extra on an Accord Hybrid so they cdan save a few cents per gallon at the pump.
#1822 of 4187 Re: Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L? [bhitchcock]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Apr 17, 2005 (8:14 am)
#1823 of 4187 Re: Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L? [bhitchcock]
Apr 18, 2005 (6:19 am)
Personally, I don't think that there is nothing wrong with using mid-grade or regular gas. I also agree, as has been posted, that you will lose power with the lower grade gas. BMW engineers recommend premium for a reason and I trust what they say. Especially BMW engineers. However, you will not be causing any damage to your engine if that is what you are asking.
#1824 of 4187 Re: Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L? [motorcity3]
Apr 18, 2005 (7:48 am)
All true, all true -- but there are multiple essays, here and elsewhere, that demonstrate that is costs MORE MONEY to use regular when the car is designed for premium.
The phrase used is false economy.
The X3 3.0's on our dealer's lots range in price from $37 to $47K -- 1000 gallons per year, that is $200 annually.
I certainly understand wanting to pay less -- heck I applaud that. But the heck of it is it will not save money to use lower grade gas. It may even cost more.
What is for certain is that the engine will perform with less vigor, shall we say.
You will attempt to compensate for this loss of power by depressing the go pedal a bit further.
Tough it out, you can afford it. Indeed, you cannot afford not to use Prem.
#1825 of 4187 Re: Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L? [markcincinnati]
Apr 19, 2005 (7:47 am)
Just use premium folks. You've spent this much on the car, why not give it the proper fuel to get it to perform like you expected. I've experimented with putting mid grade, regular and premium. Hands down I can notice the difference when I put premium gas in it, it just feels and drives better - like a BMW should.
#1826 of 4187 Re: Which gas to use in the X3 3.0L? [beemcity]
Apr 19, 2005 (6:06 pm)
Thank you, just what I was looking for, someone who had tried it and good advice.