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You are in the BMW X3 & X5
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BMW X3, SUV
#1644 of 4187 Re: Considering 05/06 X3 3.0 or 3.? [jpouchet]
Jan 07, 2005 (7:35 am)
I was looking at simliar choices as you, but not coming from Mercedes, rather Japanese cars. However, seeing your priorities: luxury, etc, etc.. I think the Touraeg should be off the list. We looked at and the thing was a beast and fuel economy was less than desirable. Volvo, i guess it's a personal thing, but I dind't like the design or look of it.
I would suggest you also look at the Infinity FX models and the Lexus RX 330. Both would fit the bill, but neither are probably in the same class performance wise as the BMW. Also, what about the X5? I don't know about its fuel economy, but it's more luxurious than the X3.
So far, 4k miles on my 2004 X3 3.0 and I love it. The suspension is a bit bumpy/stiff, but it's handling, fuel economy and simple but adequate stylings are perfect for an urban lifestyle. I get about 19 MPG of mix city/highway. Can fit 5 comfortably and decent amt. of cargo.
Only dissapointments are nitpicky, and things out of my control like brake dust accumluting quickly (price yu pay for good brakes , but otherwise I love it.
Haven't taken it for service yet, but what I've dealt with so far with my dealership, they bend over backwards for you.
Good luck with your search. Keep us posted.
#1645 of 4187 Re: Considering 05/06 X3 3.0 or 3.? [jpouchet]
Jan 07, 2005 (7:47 am)
For many of us life with BMW is a lot of fun. I have an X3 with over 10K miles that has never had a single reliability problem. The car has almost every option: 3.0, sport, luxury, nav, PDC, premium sound, alarm, garage door opener, heated seats, cargo net, etc., but my experience is with 6-speed only. This is my 5th new BMW since '95, including an M3, two M5s and a 540i. My dealer has treated me very well, always providing new BMWs as loaners when my cars have required service.
The X3 sounds like it could very closely meet your requirements. My biggest concern would be your desire for luxury. The Volvo and VW might pamper you a little more. But if you like the performance of the Volvo, you should certainly be happy with the 3.0 X3. Neither the Volvo nor VW will give you the overall cornering and stopping capability you'll get with the X3. And you'll have to get the V8 in the VW to even get close to the acceleration you would get with the X3 3.0 because the X3 is so much lighter. But strangely, the X3 actually equals the VW's cargo capacity. The X3 gas mileage is far superior - we have experienced a true 20 mpg in mixed driving since purchase.
I have had some experience driving and riding in C Classes. The ride and handling in my X3 is comparable to a C with sport setup. Several folks have complained on these boards about the stiff ride of the X3, so you probably need to be careful about this aspect when comparing the X3, VW and Volvo. The VW and Volvo will give you a softer ride at the expense of athleticism.
From my viewpoint, looking mostly for performance, functionality, safety (accident avoidance), reliability and reasonable gas mileage, I wouldn't seriously consider the other two vehicles. But not many grandfathers like sport suspensions as much as I do.
#1646 of 4187 Re: Considering 05/06 X3 3.0 or 3.? [m5x3]
Jan 07, 2005 (8:42 am)
Thanks for all of the input. Yes, we were looking at the X5 but I prefer a smaller vehicle as most of the time it is just me going to work or running weekend errands. The VW is rapidly falling out of contention as I checked out another one that a neighbor owns and it has been to the shop far too often and felt confining in the front seats. The FX styling does not suit my wife and rear visibility and space are horrible. Lexus is way overdone is So Cal, more common than Ford Explorers and they just don't give me that sporting feel.
The interior on the X3 is more than adequate for my needs and seems a bit more functional than the Volvo but I need more test time with each to confirm.
And 19-20 MPG combined is a LOT better than we used to get in our 1999 GMC Yukon, 11-13 mpg.
#1647 of 4187 Re: Considering 05/06 X3 3.0 or 3.? [jpouchet]
Jan 07, 2005 (8:54 am)
I'm with you on the Lexus.. Way overdone and too much fluff for my tastes. Give me an interior with just what i need, but an engine and car that roars and I am fine. I don't need wood trim on every square inch of interior nor do I need many useless features in a ride which is luxurious, but not an SUV ride.
The Touraeg, of your neighbors, not surprised its always in the shop. The car looks nice, but it's very impersonable drive wise, bulky and above all not enough oomph for the money. And especially for your needs, it will feel like a chore in city driving.
#1648 of 4187 A few quick X3 "detail" questions
Jan 07, 2005 (12:47 pm)
Congrats on the ACD. We have an ACD and a BC mix, and we're looking at the X3 as well.
Would love to hear about the experiences of anyone who's lived with an X3 for awhile and hauled around 2 adults, 1 baby (with stroller and other paraphernalia), and 1 or more dogs.
As far as the "detail" questions go:
Can anyone tell me -- is there a good pet barrier for the X3, even a side-to-side cargo net would probably suffice for our purposes, but our dealer said "no."
The same dealer said the X3 comes with "run-flat" tires. I don't see that online or in the brochure, although I understand the X3 has a low tire pressure monitor. Any input here?
Jan 07, 2005 (1:26 pm)
Check out http://www.autoanything.com The site takes a while to load but they have just about every type of accessories known and then a few more.
We just took our ACD for a drive in a rented Cheep Cherokee (what a piece of junk) and found that he could easily get between the wheel well and back seat. So I doubt he will stay still long in the X3 without a barrier. That said I am hoping our local BMW dealer, Irvine BMW, will graciously let us do a test drive WITH the dog. Then we will really know what we are getting.
As to your setup, doubt the backend is large enough for everything but a good stroller should fold almost flat and you could keep it behind one of the seats. We did that with our daughter when we had an S10 2-door blazer as it was easy to pull out quickly.
#1650 of 4187 A few quick X3 "detail" questions by jrynn
Jan 07, 2005 (4:01 pm)
The X3 does not come with run flats.
We bought the cargo net. It attaches to the roof vertically, either behind the front seats with the rear seats folded, or behind the back seats when they're up. I would think it would work for any medium/large dog, but a lot of folks have questioned its worth.
#1651 of 4187 Cargo Net Use for Dogs
Jan 08, 2005 (8:21 am)
I now have about 10,000 miles on my x3 3.0. My chocolate lab LOVES to ride, but was very active and noisy in my Tahoe. So, I deemed it necessary to buy the cargo net option. I have mixed feelings about its usefulness. The distance between the top of the headrests (in lowest position)on the back seat and the roof of the car is 8 inches. If the headrests are raised, this gap becomes 6 inches. If your dog is not an active rider, the net is probably not necessary. My lab has a tendency to drool, so the net keeps his head (and the saliva) behind the back seats. But if your dog is a calm rider and not a drooler, I wouldn't spend the money. My lab is much calmer in the confined space of the x3 compared to my old tahoe. He fits in well, but if I had a second 100 pound dog, it would be VERY cramped. There is an 8 inch gap on each side of the cargo net as well. The net basically stops on the outside edge of each headrest. My lab sometimes sticks his head around those sides. Hope this helps!
#1652 of 4187 Do not.....
Jan 08, 2005 (10:23 am)
recommend the RX series as an alternative to an X3..EVER!
With a most definite (mechanical) torque bias to the front, 95/5, the RX can be hazardous in the very conditions most SUVs should (are exoected to)shine. Prior to 04 a VC was used to allocate torque, but only about 25% to the rear under continuous wheelspin.
The RX330, 04 and later, uses an open center diff'l and Trac, brakes, to apportion torque, prevent wheelspin. To prevent the brakes from over-heating the engine is quickly dethrottled if the wheelspin persists.
And after about 45 seconds of dethrottled wheelspin, Trac brake applications, the AWD system is disabled completely.
I added 1.2" wheel spacers on my 01 RX300 so I could use snow chains on the rear and not endure the hazards of snow chains ONLY on the front as the idiots at Lexus continues to recommed.
#1653 of 4187 Re: Cargo Net Use for Dogs [jeff33]
Jan 09, 2005 (3:39 am)
That's very helpful. Thanks, Jeff.
Together, our dogs weigh about 85 pounds, and it looks like there's room for both in back.
Our ACD is a pretty good passenger. Once she gets in the back, she generally stays in the back. The BC mix, though, she thinks she should be allowed to drive or at least be allowed to ride shotgun. If there's an eight inch gap on each side of the cargo net, it's a pretty good bet that she'll be up front in no time.
I guess we'll have to look for another solution if we want to keep the X3 on the short-list.