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#8 of 1809 by creakid1 May 14, 2003 (11:51 pm)
"At this point, I guess I would believe that BMW does NOT plan to ship a 1-series to the US, at least not right away."   I guess they don't have to, at least the 4-dr:   http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/ae_news_story.php?id=36535
#9 of 1809 by creakid1 May 14, 2003 (11:54 pm)
"When they redesigned the TIs, they fixed most of the complaints that the US market seemed to have. Then they didn't even bring it over."   Gosh, that 2nd Compact sure is ugly, especially how cute the C-class hatch showed up. No wonder BMW gave up.
#10 of 1809 Carolina, not California by creakid1 May 15, 2003 (12:18 am)
Too bad, my favorite - 4-dr 1-series - is not imported von Deutchland.   Good thing the M1(?) got normally aspirated 2.4 4-cyl. No turbo or Kompressor.   The E46 not just lost some steering feel from the old E36, but also lost the wide rear view for lane-change visibility, especially the 4-dr.   Hatches got narrower rear view, so my only hope is the notch, but maybe I have to go for the coupe in order to get a German made. & who knows if those less than 4 doors will get mandatory sport suspension like the current 3-series.   Do you know that the current 3-series Compact can't absorb bumps as well as the WRX, per Top Gear 11-02.   So the new 1 & next 3 will get the good-communication steering back. That means the new A3/Golf/Jetta can't compete due to still lacking steering feedback even when compare to the current 3-series Compact. Only the new Focus family - Mazda3/Volvo S40/Focus II can, along w/ the RX-8, which got less stretch-out interior room than the current 3-series sedan.   VW/Audi just wasted another generation:   dudleyr "2005 Audi A3 5 door" Apr 12, 2003 11:20pm   & read #3,7,9
#11 of 1809 Separate at birth? by creakid1 May 15, 2003 (12:39 am)
Was the 1-series originally planned as a fwd Focus twin?   mdaffron "Mazda3" May 7, 2003 2:22pm   & read #265,268
#12 of 1809 AUTOMOBILE by nyccarguy Jun 08, 2003 (7:13 pm)
Magazine has an article with a photo of the upcoming 1 series. It says is due out in 2004. I guess we won't have to wait that long.
#13 of 1809 Engines & model designations by nyccarguy Jun 09, 2003 (6:06 pm)
I guess they'll give us the 1.9L (almost 2.0L) DOHC Valvetronic I4 as a 118i (?) and the 2.2L DOHC 24 Valve I6 as the 120i (?). I can't seem to find any horsepower/torque #s for the 4 cylinder engine (last Z3 1.9 was 138 or 140 hp), but the 2.2L I6 should produce some entertaining driving with 168hp 6100RPM & 155 lb/ft torque 3500RPM.
#14 of 1809 Nah, 2.2 6-cyl? by creakid1 Jun 10, 2003 (12:34 am)
They might need to reserve it for the pricier new 3-series, which shares the same platform but wider by 6".   The British link I posted on #8 did mention about the M version w/ 2.4, but didn't say if it's a 6-cyl. It makes me wonder if they're trying to re-live the spirit of the original 4-cyl(light nose) M3 or even the "vintage" 2002.
#15 of 1809 Has BMW designers been hit with the ugly stick? by jdemes Jul 31, 2003 (2:20 pm)
Series 1- Yuck!!!!!!! Dont bother sending it to the US. Series 7- what happened to what was a beautiful car? Series 5- damn if they didnt take all the new ugly from the 7 and put it on the 5! Series 3- someone stop them before they ruin it too!   What happened to the designers that once produced some of the worlds most beautiful and stylistic cars? Was it retirement time?   Here is a line that clearly explains the new styling cues at BMW--- Their vehicles have wonderful personalities. Replies to this message: jamessahal (Aug 21, 2005 2:41 pm)
#16 of 1809 yuck stick has hit a number of manufacturers by harlequin1971 Sep 03, 2003 (2:29 pm)
Lemme see:   Cadillac's hard edge designs...Origami made easy. Nissan's space age designs...world's fair rejects from the early 1930s. Ford's Flame-Edge designs...look out, your ovoid Taurus is on fire! (At least they gave up early)   As for some of the folks getting it right: Hyundai's Derivative Design Works - Is that the new Tiburon? Why does it look so familiar? Ah, a Mustang mated with a Ferrari...to bad the engines are so pedestrian. That new Elantra GT sure does look like a Saab 9-3. And the Sonata, a poor man's Jaguar X-type.   Mazda's Zoom-Designs - The RX-8, the new 6, the Miata, the Protege, the upcoming 3...pedestrian meets curves and the ugly duckling goes goes to prom.   Chrysler's Mercedes-inspired Retro-Americana - hit after hit in the market keeps this company afloat on the relevance meter of car designs. Upcoming Crossfire is a good looking attempt.   All in all, I don't think Bangle is all that bad. The cars look sharp with all those edges, very upscale Nissan.   BMW just wanted to make cars that everyone else wouldn't be scrabbling to rip off. Ever notice how the body cladding and fascias makes a Civic Coupe look similar to a BMW 3-series?
#17 of 1809 early word by harlequin1971 Sep 03, 2003 (2:33 pm)
has the 1-series coming with a 110 hp engine, with a 138 hp engine as the upgrade...does this sound wrong to you? Sure sounds wrong to me...especially at a price $2-4k over a Jetta 1.8T GLS.   If faced with a $3k savings for the Jetta with 180hp Turbo 4 and a similar package of goodies, why would I buy a 110 hp BMW?   The newest Motor Trend puts some fear and doubt into my heart with their projections on the 1-series. Guess it might be time to track the upcoming Saab 9-2 WRX knock-off instead.   Same price range as 1-series with 165-225 hp and AWD...suddenly the 1-series looks a little redundant. Isn't the criticisms of the low powered Mini enough to inspire BMW to bring us the heat?

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