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#694 of 1826 Re: Is it really coming? [fedlawman] by stevecebu

Jun 27, 2007 (12:11 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 27, 2007 10:40 am)
Since MINI is so hard to get in many areas it would be downright foolish of BMW to try and place the MINI which is a specialized car with very limited dealership as an entry level BMW in price. You can get a lot of car for $25k including the Subaru WRX and the 2008 Honda Accord with normal discounts and while these aren't real ELLPS's people buy a lot of them. The 1 series doesn't look very sharp for a BMW. The hatchback which I drove was awesome tho, in looks and everything. But not US bound
BMW will have to bring in the 1 series a lot cheaper than you think to get it to sell. I figure base MSRP on the 128i will have to be under or at $25K and not a chance they will sell a 135i for 6K more. They start competing with far too many cars for what amounts to BMW's econobox. This based on the fact that BMW imports into the US, cars which are luxury based, not like average model cars in Germany. I think a base 135i is going to have to be $27k or they will have a lot of them left on the lot.
The 1 series is a small car and while good for enthusiasts. The average car buyer will cross shop it with a lot of other cars. Sure they won't get BMW handling or a 4/50 warranty but You can only sell a car for so much and in that price range I figure they will get buyers into BMW with low enough prices then once hooked on BMW they might upgrade to more expensive models 3, 5 or even 7 series. The 1 series is a good way to get your feet wet with BMW without breaking the bank. BMW has a lot of repeat customers but the 3 series has stiffer competition every year. I think they need the 1 series for new blood but if it's overpriced like some of the figures I've read on here it will push it way outside what most people will spend on a small car.
The Subaru WRX offers alot of bang for the buck and AWD and it's all new this year as well. Ditto the Accord. No they aren't ELLPS but the 1 series hatch I drove was great but it's not like a 3 series which is an ELLPS. Best hatch I ever drove tho!

#695 of 1826 Let me just say this... by louiswei

Jun 27, 2007 (12:30 pm)

A 318ti had a MSRP about $24,950 back in 1998 and it has a 1.9L 4 banger. Now fast forward 10 years, here we have a relatively same size BMW, with a 3.0L I6 producing 230HP and you expect it to cost the same?
 
 
 
My prediction:
 
128i: starting $27,995
135i: starting $34,599

#696 of 1826 Re: Let me just say this... [louiswei] by kyfdx HOST

Jun 27, 2007 (12:46 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Jun 27, 2007 12:30 pm)
Good point (especially since it agrees with mine..lol).
 
Not only that.. when have you ever seen a price-competitive BMW?

#697 of 1826 Re: Let me just say this... [louiswei] by stevecebu

Jun 27, 2007 (12:49 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Jun 27, 2007 12:30 pm)
A 318ti had a MSRP about $24,950 back in 1998 and it has a 1.9L 4 banger. Now fast forward 10 years, here we have a relatively same size BMW, with a 3.0L I6 producing 230HP and you expect it to cost the same?
My prediction:
128i: starting $27,995
135i: starting $34,599
 
You are comparing the 3 series to the 1 series and that's not going to work. The 318 grew up into a great big car and the 318 was pretty small compared to the 328/335 of today.
Yes I expect that the 1 series is going to sell for about 25K entry level price. Just how much do you think these cost in Germany?
Plus you are adding all luxury options and that will boost up the price. BMW makes a fortune off of options. Me I want power windows and locks, A/C, CD player and a sport suspension. So for me options are minimal. But many people order the big $$$ options which is where they make all their money. Price it too high and it will not sell, BMW or not.
These engines are not rare they are basic BMW engines not specially tuned ones. They've been out in the rest of the world for a while now. Either BMW will sell it for a lower price to compete or it will be a very short lived series.
Congrats to BMW if they can sell a base 1 series 135i for $34.5K. I sure wouldn't spend that much for one. There's just too many good cars out there that offer a lot more for that price. BMW knows this.

#698 of 1826 Re: Let me just say this... [stevecebu] by louiswei

Jun 27, 2007 (12:56 pm)

Replying to: stevecebu (Jun 27, 2007 12:49 pm)
I am comparing the 318ti. Remember those?
 
See, BMW has everything going for them. Even if there are more folks thinking like you they still will have a line waiting to get their hands on the new 1-series. Being competitive in pricing is not BMW's concern. Deliver the best performance sedan/coupe in its segment and uphold the prestige factor are more of a priority for them.

#699 of 1826 Re: Let me just say this... [louiswei] by qbrozen

Jun 27, 2007 (1:17 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Jun 27, 2007 12:30 pm)
And the 318ti was a big bomb exactly for that reason. Maybe BMW has forgotten this ... but I doubt it.
 
Manufacturers seem to think the public balked at a high-end hatchback. What the really balked at, IMHO, is an OVERPRICED hatchback.
 
No, the 1-series we are getting won't be a hatch ... yet ... but I don't think that will change the pricing problem. For $28k, many of us 'Mericuns will be buying a bigger car.

#700 of 1826 While We're debating price by nyccarguy

Jun 27, 2007 (6:39 pm)

we might as well speculate on weight. From what I can tell on BMW's website, the lightest car in their current US lineup is the Z4 3.0i Roadster at 3020 lbs. Any guesses on what the US 1 series will come in at?
 
Does anybody have the specs on the European 1 series hatchbacks?

#701 of 1826 Re: While We're debating price [nyccarguy] by nippononly

Jun 27, 2007 (8:46 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Jun 27, 2007 6:39 pm)
Little coupe like this, I am hoping it wouldn't be more than 2800 pounds or so. But am I being optimistic there?...these days a Civic coupe weighs 2700 pounds.
 
The RX-8 is hanging in there around the 2800-pound mark, IIRC. Even with the bigger engine, I would hope BMW could counter with some weigh-reduction measures to hold it to that mark.

#702 of 1826 Now THIS by nippononly

Jun 27, 2007 (9:04 pm)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121452
 
just makes me drool. A 201 hp twin turbo beaut of a diesel, installed in the 123d that runs to 60 mph in about 7 seconds and still gets 54 mpg? Where do I sign?
 
Of course, BMW in its infinite wisdom won't make this powertrain available in the U.S. Everybody knows Americans will accept nothing less than a V-6 in their entry-lux models...
 

#703 of 1826 Re: While We're debating price [nyccarguy] by fedlawman

Jun 27, 2007 (9:05 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Jun 27, 2007 6:39 pm)
The 130i hatchback weighs 3200 lbs.

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