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#51 of 1809 by npaladin2000 Sep 18, 2003 (11:43 pm)
I just don't get why either make feels the need to move upmarket when the enconomy here in the US is the way it is right now. If BMW released a 1 series car at around 20k, then a bunch of people who always dreamed of owning a BMW could finaly do so, and those who are impressed with it would eventually move up to 3 and 5 series cars if/when possible. If the 1-series were to hold its value like other BMWs it would be a good stepping stone as a trade in, too.   Then again, maybe neither one is interested in making affordable cars in the US...just in Europe. Maybe they'd rather send over SUVs that we seem to fall for hook, line and sinker.   I may just move to Europe.
#52 of 1809 Move to Europe eh?? by jchan2 Sep 19, 2003 (12:42 pm)
to truely bug the automakers we need to keep begging for these fuel efficient cars at low prices otherwise we'll keep getting SUVs or as BMW likes to put it, SAVs.
#53 of 1809 VW Passat by harlequin1971 Sep 22, 2003 (2:33 pm)
is coming with a bigger diesel than available in the Jetta/Golf.   Will American motorists buy a low-powered, high-torque diesel in the Passat? I might, but I am an aborition.   Still think BMW could stick with I4s in the 1-series, but not with 110 hp, even 138 seems low, but would be a fine starting point at $20k. I would have liked to see a 138hp 1-series with a step up to a 160-165 hp engine.   Having driven a 323 around the block, that mild-powered BMW was still very gutsy and fast, even at just over 170hp. My 318ti wasn't fast, but did have some pep for 138 horses. Compared to my Elantra with 135hp, the BMW was much more sporting.
#54 of 1809 engine by jchan2 Sep 22, 2003 (3:05 pm)
Here's what would be great: Base 1-Series: 145 Horsepower Engine M2: 199 Horsepower Optional Engine: 175 Horsepower Engine on base.
#55 of 1809 That 323 was a wolf in a sheep skin by creakid1 Sep 22, 2003 (6:20 pm)
It's really a 325 retuned to low-end bias, so it feels even gutsier than the 325 until you rev high. Since the late '90's, BMW offered the 2.5 323 & the 2.8 328 at huge price difference. Bunch of my male-ego-problem idiot friends insisted that they would pick a stripped 328 over a still-cheaper loaded 323. They never realized that the 323 is superior to the 325 to begin with.   Now the 330 makes the expensive 328 seem feeble at all rpm range &, therefore, worthless! While there are still people regretting that they didn't get the 323 before BMW switched it to the weaker-low-end 325. Shifting more often in the weaker-low-end 325 is even worse as the long-travel & heavy clutch w/ an unnaturally located friction point is a pain in heavy traffic.   Yes, the 170-hp 323 engine which has more torque than the 325 is already dangerously close to the 328 & not too far off from the 330, & is more than sufficient for any 1-series.
#56 of 1809 the 2.5 inline 6 by jchan2 Sep 23, 2003 (2:38 pm)
would work perfect! Just cut 5 HP and add $1000 to the base.
#57 of 1809 by mdmetz Sep 23, 2003 (9:54 pm)
The Canadian 2.0 L six would provide a sizeable degree of market differentiation, and it's probably very easy to certify.
#58 of 1809 by creakid1 Sep 23, 2003 (11:16 pm)
The Canadian 320i L six is actually a 2.2. BMW has been quite modest in their nomenclatures lately. Always add 2 if the # is less than 25. For example, a 323 is a 2.5, a 318 is a 2.0(used to be 1.9), & a 316 would be a 1.8.   Only the overpriced Mercedes has to "false advertise". The 2003 C230 is actually a 1.8!
#59 of 1809 320i by corvette Sep 24, 2003 (5:29 pm)
Wow, I thought the 320i was a four-cylinder.
#60 of 1809 The 2.0... by jchan2 Sep 25, 2003 (4:31 pm)
could be the base, and then the 2.5 could be the step-up!!!!!

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