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#6 of 1809 1-series in US by harlequin1971 May 10, 2003 (9:27 am)
At this point, I guess I would believe that BMW does NOT plan to ship a 1-series to the US, at least not right away.   They have done nothing to promote its advance arrival. The CS1 was a taste, but BMW has been very tight lipped about the 1-series.   Maybe they are waiting to see how the market is responding before they make a final decision. The Mini has been very well received but seems to be getting nailed with poor reliability so far.   Can BMW afford to release a 1-series in the US and have it be a reliability issue? How would a so-so 1-series affect the image of the 3-series and maybe even the 5-series in the US consumer mind?   I hope they do bring it here. I find it aggrevating that Euro-manufacturers do not send their line-up to the US. Audi holds back its A3, VW holds back the Lupo (?) and all manufacturers hold back certain engine types. After very slow sales, BMW withdrew their ti-compacts, and then released a I6 model that I think would have done fairly well in the US...   When they redesigned the TIs, they fixed most of the complaints that the US market seemed to have. Then they didn't even bring it over.
#7 of 1809 luxury - family - economy by harlequin1971 May 10, 2003 (9:36 am)
I think GM did us all a disservice when it broke up the GM family into murky "class" designations.   Buick serves the older, build-it-like-I-remember-it crowd.   Oldsmobile is the fancy, wish-I-could-afford-a-Cadillac crowd.   Chevy is the econo-buyer designate.   Pontiac is the boy-racer division.   and Cadillac is the luxury division.   Each group has a car that crosses some boundaries, but all the divisions offer cars that appeal to separate segments of the car buying public, rarely is a guy cross-shopping a Buick and a Chevy or Pontiac.   I think that is why BMW and Mercedes have some trouble bringing their full-range of products to the US. We grew up with a notion that brand identity had to apply to every car within a certain line.   Porsche could make a really nice I-4 sedan that handled like few sedans in the world, offer a flat-6 option and price it in the high 20s to mid-30s. But purists would be up in arms about a "fouled" brand.   Mercedes, when they decided to move even further up-market, decided to create Maibach to market their new "ultra-suede" cars, rather than leave it good with MB.   Maybe BMW needs to create a down market division to sell its more economy minded cars in the US and abroad?
#8 of 1809 by creakid1 May 14, 2003 (11:51 pm)
"At this point, I guess I would believe that BMW does NOT plan to ship a 1-series to the US, at least not right away."   I guess they don't have to, at least the 4-dr:   http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/ae_news_story.php?id=36535
#9 of 1809 by creakid1 May 14, 2003 (11:54 pm)
"When they redesigned the TIs, they fixed most of the complaints that the US market seemed to have. Then they didn't even bring it over."   Gosh, that 2nd Compact sure is ugly, especially how cute the C-class hatch showed up. No wonder BMW gave up.
#10 of 1809 Carolina, not California by creakid1 May 15, 2003 (12:18 am)
Too bad, my favorite - 4-dr 1-series - is not imported von Deutchland.   Good thing the M1(?) got normally aspirated 2.4 4-cyl. No turbo or Kompressor.   The E46 not just lost some steering feel from the old E36, but also lost the wide rear view for lane-change visibility, especially the 4-dr.   Hatches got narrower rear view, so my only hope is the notch, but maybe I have to go for the coupe in order to get a German made. & who knows if those less than 4 doors will get mandatory sport suspension like the current 3-series.   Do you know that the current 3-series Compact can't absorb bumps as well as the WRX, per Top Gear 11-02.   So the new 1 & next 3 will get the good-communication steering back. That means the new A3/Golf/Jetta can't compete due to still lacking steering feedback even when compare to the current 3-series Compact. Only the new Focus family - Mazda3/Volvo S40/Focus II can, along w/ the RX-8, which got less stretch-out interior room than the current 3-series sedan.   VW/Audi just wasted another generation:   dudleyr "2005 Audi A3 5 door" Apr 12, 2003 11:20pm   & read #3,7,9
#11 of 1809 Separate at birth? by creakid1 May 15, 2003 (12:39 am)
Was the 1-series originally planned as a fwd Focus twin?   mdaffron "Mazda3" May 7, 2003 2:22pm   & read #265,268
#12 of 1809 AUTOMOBILE by nyccarguy Jun 08, 2003 (7:13 pm)
Magazine has an article with a photo of the upcoming 1 series. It says is due out in 2004. I guess we won't have to wait that long.
#13 of 1809 Engines & model designations by nyccarguy Jun 09, 2003 (6:06 pm)
I guess they'll give us the 1.9L (almost 2.0L) DOHC Valvetronic I4 as a 118i (?) and the 2.2L DOHC 24 Valve I6 as the 120i (?). I can't seem to find any horsepower/torque #s for the 4 cylinder engine (last Z3 1.9 was 138 or 140 hp), but the 2.2L I6 should produce some entertaining driving with 168hp 6100RPM & 155 lb/ft torque 3500RPM.
#14 of 1809 Nah, 2.2 6-cyl? by creakid1 Jun 10, 2003 (12:34 am)
They might need to reserve it for the pricier new 3-series, which shares the same platform but wider by 6".   The British link I posted on #8 did mention about the M version w/ 2.4, but didn't say if it's a 6-cyl. It makes me wonder if they're trying to re-live the spirit of the original 4-cyl(light nose) M3 or even the "vintage" 2002.
#15 of 1809 Has BMW designers been hit with the ugly stick? by jdemes Jul 31, 2003 (2:20 pm)
Series 1- Yuck!!!!!!! Dont bother sending it to the US. Series 7- what happened to what was a beautiful car? Series 5- damn if they didnt take all the new ugly from the 7 and put it on the 5! Series 3- someone stop them before they ruin it too!   What happened to the designers that once produced some of the worlds most beautiful and stylistic cars? Was it retirement time?   Here is a line that clearly explains the new styling cues at BMW--- Their vehicles have wonderful personalities. Replies to this message: jamessahal (Aug 21, 2005 2:41 pm)

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