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#21 of 1809 1-Series vs. A-Class vs. A3 by jchan2 Sep 04, 2003 (3:16 pm)
Things are going to get interesting. don't forget the Swedes: S40 and 9-2.
#22 of 1809 by sphinx99 Sep 04, 2003 (7:09 pm)
I think 1-series coupe vs Mazda RX-8 is going to be a heck of a comparison a couple of years from now.
#23 of 1809 Why... by jchan2 Sep 05, 2003 (1:54 pm)
1-Series vs. RX8? Both are totally different cars with totally different missions.
#24 of 1809 Well, the RX-8 got less interior room than the current 3-series by creakid1 Sep 05, 2003 (7:27 pm)
let alone the next 3-series.   Let's see, how many 4-seater RWD notch back got ind rear suspension but too small inside to compete w/ the 3-series sedan? Besides the Lexus IS...
#25 of 1809 What is the competition for BMW 1-series? by harlequin1971 Sep 06, 2003 (9:43 am)
I would argue that it is everything with $3k of its price...and that puts a huge number of cars into the mix.   If MT was right, they pegged the 1-series hitting the shores at MSRP ~$23k. If that and the 110 hp engine are true, RWD will not be enough to make it a serious player in that price range.   One would have to be very dedicated to the BMW world to pick a 110hp RWD car over a field that features cars like the Subaru WRX, VW Passat/Jetta, and even the Acura TSX...among others.   By the time you add in options, you will be creeping up on 350Z and G35 territory...and while they are not BMWs, they are fast cars that are RWD and worth a serious thought.   If Saab makes a splash with their 9-2 release, and Audi drops the A3 into the market, we have a lot of new metal that will be battling for the same groups of buyers...those who refuse to buy an appliance for a car...because at the low 20k range, most people are buying Accords, Camrys, and the like.
#26 of 1809 how will the 1-series compete? by harlequin1971 Sep 06, 2003 (9:49 am)
Well...the way I see it, the predicted formula is thin...but I can argue a success for any of the following situations:   BMW keeps the 110hp stock and releases the car under $20k.   BMW keeps the $23k entry point, but offers a 140+ hp engine as the stock choice.   BMW releases the 1-series in Europe and not in the US.   HP isn't the only thing important about a car, and BMW does more with less HP than any car company I know...but...haveing less than half the hp of your competition's offerings around the same price points is suicide in the "SUV - Bigger is Better" culture of the US.
#27 of 1809 1-Series would compete with... by jchan2 Sep 07, 2003 (7:02 am)
200 HP Saab 9-2 180-200 HP Volvo S40 base Acura TSX Audi A3 Mercedes Benz A-Class   The only real competition size wise and HP wise are both the A3 and the A-Class. The S40 has too huge an advantage HP wise over the 110 HP 1-Series as does the 9-2.
#28 of 1809 2-Series by blacktalon Sep 07, 2003 (2:31 pm)
Any more word on the 2-series coupe and roadster that Edmunds mentions?   A BMW M2 with, say, 250 HP for $30K might be intriguing...
#29 of 1809 2-Series gap is now filled... by jchan2 Sep 07, 2003 (4:04 pm)
by 1-Series.
#30 of 1809 I think the back seat is only barely large enough to compete w/ by creakid1 Sep 07, 2003 (4:08 pm)
the RX-8. I don't remember how roomy the is the 9-2/Impreza's backseat, but the TSX is a tad roomier than the current 3-series, especially headroom.   From the same platform, you need the even-roomier future 3-series to compete w/ the new S40/V50, which already got roomier back seat than the S60. Find the hp of the 5-cyl new S40/V50 too high to compete w/ the 1-series? Take the 4-cyl Mazda version of it - the 3S.   The A3 may be the right size. But A-class? No way! This tippy phone booth? Eventhough it's redesigned, it's probably no smarter than the Smart in terms of clumsiness - Expect a stiff ride to "hopefully" fight off roll over, just like the raised BMW SUV X5, which still tips over!

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