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BMW 1 Series, Coupe, Convertible, Sedan
#1790 of 1843 Re: All seasons... WTF? [nkeen]
Aug 13, 2009 (7:05 am)
Reading the specs, both packages (Sport and M Sport) have the same suspension and staggered setup. The difference, besides some trim, appears to be "performance tires" in the Sport Package vs. "mixed performance tires" in the M Sport Package.
So, what are "mixed performance tires?" Beats me.
As for understeer/oversteer. Lots of factors play into the understeer equation. On the 135i, the staggered sized wheels as well as more weight over the nose makes it more likely to push. No doubt, BMW designed the suspension to compensate (roll bar thickness, spring rates, rebound dampening, etc.) to make the 135i handle the way they want it to.
On the 128i, certainly a lighter nose and 4 identical tires all around make for less tendency to understeer - and the all-seasons have less grip than "performance" tires, which affects handling balance too.
Personally, I think the 128i with standard suspension is the most neutral and entertaining to drive. More than enough power to light up the tires, and less grip means it's easier to get the car sideways.
#1791 of 1843 Re: All seasons... WTF? [fedlawman]
Aug 24, 2009 (6:03 pm)
You're right. Thanks for your attention to detail.
#1792 of 1843 Re: All seasons... WTF? [fedlawman]
Aug 25, 2009 (6:50 am)
So, what are "mixed performance tires?" Beats me
They probably mean performance rated all seasons. Tirerack lists several categories of these>
Ultra High Performance All-Season
You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) and are willing to trade some dry and wet traction and handling to get it.
High Performance All-Season
You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) to drive your sports coupe or sedan in all weather conditions.
You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) with a mixture of performance and appearance at a reasonable price.
#1793 of 1843 Re: All seasons... WTF? [andys120]
Aug 31, 2009 (11:30 am)
I think what they mean by "mixed" is different tire sizes front and rear. Rear should be wider like 245 vs. 225 for front.
#1794 of 1843 BMW 4 cyclinder diesels
Oct 05, 2009 (9:55 am)
Love to get a 128i but am holding out for when BMW brings in the four cylinder diesels in a few years. Should be a great car with great mileage!
#1795 of 1843 Re: A Question of the 128i [runningdoc]
Oct 27, 2009 (9:19 pm)
I live in NJ...bought 128i convertible (loaded)...had a few minor problems dealer fixed no problem...but I have to tell you....I LOVE IT....bought car day after thanksgiving 2008 and have had it approx 1 year to date...simply awesome.... peppy, rides great, turns on a dime, hugs the road like a bmw, gas mileage 21-25 consistantly, but most of all.. love it with the top down and the comments people always make.
Standard Stereo pretty good also. All together....nice car for the deal I got....and believe me I tested them all and did my homework.
Nov 15, 2009 (7:35 pm)
Love the 128i but concerned about not having all wheel drive or at least front wheel drive for snow would i be better off with the 328i? I hate to give up the size etc of the 128i.
#1797 of 1843 Re: bmw 128i in snow [deedee6104]
Nov 15, 2009 (8:16 pm)
buy yourself a set of 4 dedicated winter rims & tires and you will not have any problem
#1798 of 1843 Re: bmw 128i in snow [deedee6104]
Nov 19, 2009 (5:38 pm)
What nyccarguy said; four dedicated winter tires and you'll be good to go.
#1799 of 1843 Re: bmw 128i in snow [roadburner]
Nov 20, 2009 (4:53 pm)
Yeah, but snow tires will only take you so far (usually half-way up the sidewalk ), At some point laws of physics with RWD will kick in. I've seen plenty of 3 series with snow tires going down a snow-covered street at 45 degree angle!