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Replying to: bodble2 (Sep 10, 2008 8:43 pm) Blasphemy! TM
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 10, 2008 7:17 pm) Again, I haven't driven them so I'm only talking theory, but I believe that the lighter nose and unstaggered front/rear wheels must give the 128i crisper turn-in, less understeer, and more responsive steering. I'm not saying it's a dramatic difference (far from it - most people probably wouldn't notice), but I do believe the difference is there. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 10, 2008 9:43 pm) That's because the difference IS there, and you are right that it is not a dramatic difference, and most people wouldn't notice. But, if we are here taking notice of the smallest differences, then surely we should also take notice of the eye-popping differences... the ones that most people WOULD notice. So, we've identified one such small difference in the weight of the two vehicles. The increase in weight for the 135i is all of 3.5%. But, consider that the 135i has an eye-popping 30% increase in horsepower! It also has a massive 50% increase in torque! The 135i's front brakes are 12.75% larger in diameter!... And even larger in terms of their corresponding surface area. You referred earlier to the 0-60 times. If we visit those numbers we would discover that the 135i is 25% faster getting to 60mph! Now, those are all some significant numbers, and I'd say they make for some profound differences. So... I think it's safe to say that it's going to be those very large profound differences that ultimately are sure to be the ones noticed the most when driving the two cars as a comparison. TM
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 10, 2008 6:36 pm) But, of course! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 10, 2008 9:43 pm) In my non-professional opinion, the added cost for the power and brakes alone make the 135i a screaming bargain for someone like you who WOULD track the car at least 6 - 10 times per year but only you could make that personal choice and probably could get as much from the 128 on the track as well. Coming out of the turns without TC/DSC would give the 135i and edge that IMHO is undeniable. I tend to purchase as TM does...give me the added performance up front. Regards, OW
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 10, 2008 10:47 pm) "The increase in weight for the 135i is all of 3.5%." Using a percentage here gives the illusion of an insignificant difference. I still say 120 lbs is 120 lbs - mostly right over the front axle. Of course, you're talking to someone who removed the air conditioning from his M3 to shave 30 lbs off the nose  . As for power, I'm with you. The difference is dramatic and intoxicating. The 128i is quick - the 135i is a rocket. On the street, who cares about another 1" diameter on the rotors? You'll never fade either system. Another minus (in my book) for the 135i is the twin-turbo engine itself. If I were a leasing/short-term ownership kind of guy, I wouldn't hesitate to choose the 135i. But if I was looking for a long-term relationship with a 1-series, I wouldn't touch the hot running, no dipstick TT with a ten foot pole. Don't take it personally Tag. The 135i is a car that I could easily own and I'm jealous that you have one. If I were in the market for a car right now, it would be on my very short list (again, I wouldn't choose the 128i either - simply because of the power deficit).
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 11, 2008 3:56 am) I agree the 135i is the better bargain. If I owned a 135i though, I wouldn't track it (OK, maybe just once to see). It's too heavy and luxurious to subject to that abuse. No, I'd probably leave it mostly stock and enjoy it's combination of sport and comfort on the street.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 11, 2008 7:32 am) LOL! I'm not laughing at you ... kinda laughing at myself. I track my 3750lb G35X. 
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 10, 2008 9:26 pm)  Now the question is why is it mostly men that bond with their cars. I guess it's the machismo ingrained into the male psyche by years of propaganda advertising. And I guess clothes and shoes to women are what cars are to men. As for the question, am I messing with you? Yeah, maybe, since I'm part of that herd that has an inexplicable bonding with cars. But when you cut out all the rhetoric and analyze the nuts and bolts (again, pardon the pun), that is what it is.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 11, 2008 7:26 am) That says it all. I understand. I had a Lotus Elise two years ago, and I can genuinely appreciate the whole idea of "less is more". TM |
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