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Replying to: circlew (Sep 10, 2008 5:08 pm) I just think the 128 would not likely "burden" to accomplish any driving task one would reasonable expect to encounter. I think the fact that the 135 is almost an overkill overshadows the credentials of the 128. One needs to remember that not too long ago, the 328 won a C & D sports sedan comparo, and the 128 arguably should out-perform the 328. Yes, I know, as in the case of money and sex, one can never have too much hp, but the 128 is probably as much car as, if not more than, most sane enthusiasts would need. (Of course, I'm not conceding that, budget permitting, I would not spring for a 135  )
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 10, 2008 5:18 pm) I couldn't agree more. Does the 1-series come with the abominable run-flat tires?
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Replying to: bodble2 (Sep 10, 2008 4:12 pm) Not really. I'd much rather have a feature I might have ended up not using very much, than to NOT having a feature I wished I had purchased! If I always drive my car at 10/10th, or 9/10th, then the extra $5k for the 135 would probably be a bargain, but we all know most people do not drive their cars anywhere near the limit. Whatever percentage you apply is fine... but in the end even if you drive at 50%... 50% of a 128i's performance is still less than 50% of the 135i's. C'mon, now... anyway you spin it, there's still a whole bunch more to the 135i to experience. Heck, even when I get on the freeway, I don't have to go one single mph over the speed limit in order to accelerate faster and feel the exhilierating feeling. The same holds true for many driving scenarios. I've discussed with others at length on another forum about the reality of driving within all the legal limits and still experiencing the enjoyment that can come from driving a car that has great performance attributes. TM |
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Replying to: bodble2 (Sep 10, 2008 4:17 pm) Cars are special machines... there are few machines that we can actually interact with, with so much excitement and passion. Tell the NASCAR folks that their cars are just machines.   TM
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 10, 2008 5:18 pm) The suggestion that the 128i has superior balance is a stretch. There is a very slight front/rear weight distribution difference between the 128i and the 135i, true, but not enough to amount to a hill of beans. Heck, for that matter the 135i is within 1.1% weight distribution of the M3. Also, panic stops are rare. Most braking is done in normal driving, where better brakes can make a difference. The weight difference between the 128i and the 135i is a mere 121 pounds. Suggesting that the same model car outfitted with smaller brakes and less power is the "purer" sports car is pushing the definition. On the other hand, no one is suggesting that the 135i is the purer sports car either. So, neither one should get the bragging rights to that title over the other, IMO. In reality, they are essentially the same sports car, but with different capabilites. I would venture to say that a Porsche Carrera and Carrera "S" are both "pure sports cars", even though there are performance differences. To me, the same holds true for the 1-Series.  TM
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 10, 2008 6:58 pm) computers, big-screen LCD TVs, Blackberry, 3G cell phones, Wii game consoles, AK-47 ....just a few machines that people seem to interact passionately with. "Tell the NASCAR folks that their cars are just machines". I dunno about that one. People in the profession may just view them as "tools of the trade".
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Replying to: bodble2 (Sep 10, 2008 8:43 pm) Blasphemy! TM
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 10, 2008 7:17 pm) Again, I haven't driven them so I'm only talking theory, but I believe that the lighter nose and unstaggered front/rear wheels must give the 128i crisper turn-in, less understeer, and more responsive steering. I'm not saying it's a dramatic difference (far from it - most people probably wouldn't notice), but I do believe the difference is there. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 10, 2008 9:43 pm) That's because the difference IS there, and you are right that it is not a dramatic difference, and most people wouldn't notice. But, if we are here taking notice of the smallest differences, then surely we should also take notice of the eye-popping differences... the ones that most people WOULD notice. So, we've identified one such small difference in the weight of the two vehicles. The increase in weight for the 135i is all of 3.5%. But, consider that the 135i has an eye-popping 30% increase in horsepower! It also has a massive 50% increase in torque! The 135i's front brakes are 12.75% larger in diameter!... And even larger in terms of their corresponding surface area. You referred earlier to the 0-60 times. If we visit those numbers we would discover that the 135i is 25% faster getting to 60mph! Now, those are all some significant numbers, and I'd say they make for some profound differences. So... I think it's safe to say that it's going to be those very large profound differences that ultimately are sure to be the ones noticed the most when driving the two cars as a comparison. TM
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 10, 2008 6:36 pm) But, of course! Regards, OW |
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