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Replying to: tagman (Sep 05, 2008 4:02 pm) If that is what you will do, then that's great. And I agree, the 135 will outshine the 128 by far. But, let's be realistic, 99.9% of 135 buyers will never take it to the track. On a daily commuting basis, on public roads at legal speeds, I just can't see the $5k being worth it. As far as fuel economy goes, they are almost identical They aren't terribly far apart, but 10% is 10% and not identical. Every time someone thinks they are even remotely the same, it turns out that they haven't even driven them. Once they drive them both, the truth ALWAYS emerges. There are countless reviews that make this clear. Don't get my wrong here. We are really talking about emotion vs logic. Logically speaking, my opinion is the 135 is not worth the price premium. Emotionally speaking is a whole different ballgame.
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 05, 2008 12:11 pm) Oh, I wouldn't go without the sport pack, personally. |
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Replying to: qbrozen (Sep 08, 2008 8:34 am) Of course. But, if you will recall, I was replying to your idea that they should be compared at an autocross, and 99.9% of folks don't go there either. So... let's just remove the track and autocross from the picture, and the real point is that the 135i has superior handling in real-life conditions. The track just further proves it's capabilites, but the car certainly reveals itself in everyday driving as well. Just like a truck will feel like a truck... well, the 135i will be what it is, and it's performance dynamics are indeed superior to the 128i, which we already agree. Now, that all said, there is nothing wrong with choosing the 128i over a 135i... but don't suggest that they are equivalent in real-life driving. They are not! And that is objective logic. How folks feel about those objective differences is what then becomes subjective. On a daily commuting basis, on public roads at legal speeds, I just can't see the $5k being worth it. That's your subjective perspective, and that's fine. But, ANY car can exceed the posted limit, so it's really about what happens WITHIN the posted limit that makes the difference... like taking corners, passing, and accelerating. The 135i will offer a more exhilerating driving experience than the 128i, just as the 128i will offer a more exhilerating experience over a Corolla. Everyone draws the line somewhere. For me (and for most folks purchasing the 1-Series), the additional $5K to get the 135i's real-life superior handling capabilities is money very WELL spent. It's a LOT more bang for just a little more buck. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 08, 2008 11:37 am) Maybe I don't fully understand all the differences in the vehicles. BTW, I mentioned autoX only because the 135s performance superiority was the whole reason given for choosing it. But, as we've both agreed, that performance superiority is nill except at a full racetrack.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Sep 08, 2008 1:19 pm) No. That's not my position. The 135i's (or any car for that matter) performance superiority is more fully demonstrated at a race track, but it is far from nill in real-life. You seem to be suggesting that the 135i's 30% increase in horsepower (over the 128i) and a 50% increase in torque (over the 128i) doesn't matter, and only both car's suspensions is what matters, even though the 135i's is "calibrated"... and be aware here that I am not focusing on the suspension here, anyway. Suspension, throttle, steering, and brakes all go hand-in-hand. The throttle has a LOT to do with performance, even in real-life situations, such as acceleration, passing maeuvers, taking curves, corners, and other turning scenarios. The throttle plays a bigger role than you seem to suggest. BTW, the brakes in the 135i are also better than those in the 128i. Again, as before, a twin turbo N54 engine offering a 30% increase in horsepower, a 50% increase in torque, as well as better brakes, are in and of themselves sufficient reasons to spend the $5K. The performance advantages in real-life are worth every penny. If your driving is only congested commute traffic, perhaps you should get a Prius!   j/k Rob. TM
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Replying to: qbrozen (Sep 08, 2008 1:19 pm) Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 08, 2008 2:38 pm) Bingo! The 128i is a great car. And, while it's no 135i, it's still a 1-Series. If gbrozen gives them both a good test drive, and then chooses the 128i, I'll congratulate him for selecting a terrific BMW 1-Series automobile. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 08, 2008 3:31 pm) Ain't that the truth? I've never driven either one of them. Just going by specs and what you owners and test-drivers say. I do like to have the performance when I want (need) it, even though it may not be very often. I have 2 dealers within a reasonable distance. One has NO 1 series and the other has ONE 128i A and it's in the showroom. They turn their nose up if you ask to drive it. Hopefully their '09s will be coming in soon, but finding a manual to drive is going to be a chore. My E46 is a little over 3 years old and I'm itching badly.  I'm supposing I will like the 135i much better, but time will tell. I sure won't be ashamed if I decide on a 128i manual w/ Sport Package. (Don't yell at me again...LOL)
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Replying to: venture (Sep 08, 2008 8:25 pm) Great car! No reason to be ashamed. If you acquired one, I am certain it would rattle the cages if you claimed that your new 128i performed every bit as good as a 135i. However, saying that you recognize that there is a performance difference between the two cars, but you are quite satisfied with the 128i would get my respect and congratulations alike!  TM |
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Replying to: tagman (Sep 08, 2008 1:53 pm) Overall performance? Yes, of course I'm not arguing that the 135 is better. It would be silly to do otherwise. What I have done here is take the other position to the OP's original request for arguments as to one or the other. And I'll stick to my position that, in the end, in normal day-to-day driving, $5k is a helluva lot to spend just to go 0-60 ~1 sec faster. Which one would I buy? Well, that wasn't the question, nor the answer.
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