Last post on Nov 13, 2013 at 8:08 AM
You are in the BMW 1-Series
What is this discussion about?
BMW 1 Series, Coupe, Convertible, Sedan
#1514 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [tagman]
Jun 16, 2008 (7:15 pm)
Sorry for this digression good people, but I must answer TM's post.
You are right. The new 5'er when it came out in 2004,was almost universally loathed-people did not know what to make of its bold, new, aggressive and sexy styling. Surely, a radical change from "same old" conservative BMW. Since the introduction, people have gradually come to their senses and come to terms with the new design and consequently sales/leases of the new Bangle 5 have been healthy. The 5 must have had an external refresh lately, because the 2008's seem a bit more stylish than the 2004 version, if indeed that is actually possible.
As for people waiting months to pay MSRP for the 1 Series and not for the Bangle 5 Series: It is you who must "stay real"!
BMW wasn't deliberately limiting supply of the 5 series back in 2004 as it is currently with the 1. If they wanted to, BMW could limit supply on the 3 and the 5 and command close to M$RP.
Don't you think lines would be forming to pay M$RP for the 335i Coupe if BMW deliberately made it scarce here?
#1515 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [hpowders]
Jun 17, 2008 (12:12 am)
Yes, I think this thread has recently gotten active due to you, in part. Go back to the beginning and see the injection from yours truly... LOL.
As far as limiting supply goes, I can't say with any factual certainty that the same thing would happen with the other models. Maybe so.
We do know for a fact, however, that the 1-Series, which is what this thread is about, is a great performing fun car that is widely accepted and praised by the vast majority of enthusiasts and critics.
#1516 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [tagman]
Jun 17, 2008 (4:18 am)
...and it's prettier than the 5'er!
#1517 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [circlew]
Jun 17, 2008 (5:14 am)
"...and its prettier than the 5'er!"
Aside from my wife's not being permitted to use incomparable sugar from Cuban cane fields in her rum cake, nothing wounds me more!
#1518 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [tagman]
Jun 17, 2008 (5:34 am)
Yes. When the thread opened, you and some others had a healthy dialog on the 1.
Soon the posts began to dwindle to a lull, as the initial euphoria died down when the realization set in that the 1 could have been so much better; that it didn't live up to the hype that it would be a re-incarnation of the BMW 2002; that it was actually closer to the revered 3 Series (which isn't a bad thing) and that waiting lists were being artificially perpetrated by BMW through limiting supply of the 1 Series to the US.
To lift this dying thread out of its funk, your writer, by placing the 1 Series in its proper context minus the exaggerated hype, has instigated active discussion again.
Remember folks, that any BMW is superior in driving performance to its competition. No manufacturer has created a 3 or a 5 killer. They won't be able to create a 1 killer either. When I criticize the 1, it is because I believe it could have been so much better. Even so, I admit the 135i Coupe is an exhilarating drive.
#1519 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [hpowders]
Jun 17, 2008 (6:19 am)
Just kidding. The 5'er is real nice. Handles extremely well for it's category. It's the choice for coast to coast travel in high comfort and style!
#1520 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [hpowders]
Jun 17, 2008 (6:21 am)
Now you're talkin'! Look for the tii. It will get better.
#1521 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [circlew]
Jun 17, 2008 (6:24 am)
"The 5'er is real nice."
It must have had a styling refresh recently. I could see some folks not liking the original Bangle 5, but the recent versions are really quite a bit nicer looking; stunning in gray.
#1522 of 1843 Re: The 1-Series needs no defense [circlew]
Jun 17, 2008 (6:29 am)
BMW should maintain decent supply on the 1.
BMWCCA should be allowed to coordinate for BMW 1 buyers/leasers, a $500 rebate from BMWNA.
When one considers the ability to bargain down from M$RP for the 335i Coupe plus getting the $500 rebate, the differential between 135i and 335i isn't that much. I figure $3000-$3500.
#1523 of 1843 No 1 Series In Sight!
Jun 17, 2008 (6:48 am)
I was at one of my favorite places to view upscale vehicles yesterday-the Tampa airport indoor short-term parking garage. I drove through many aisles-lot's of BMW's-3's, a couple of M3's and 5's, an Infiniti M 45; various Lexus' and MB's. No BMW 1's yet. Haven't seen any on the road yet either. Scarce.
On the way to the airport, a 2008 Honda Accord EX V6 kept tailing me. I was going 85-86 mph. I finally "helped" create an opening for him and let him think he got by me on his own. He's probably posting over on the Accord forum about how he absolutely "smoked" a 545i on the highway.