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#9 of 18 saturns can use 1 quart oil per 3k miles!
Apr 11, 2003 (1:40 am)
just buy a honda,nissan, toy.
#10 of 18 That's funny!!
Apr 11, 2003 (4:06 am)
"saturns can use 1 quart oil per 3k miles"
That's the standard for every manufacturer in the nation! Except GM, who says it's OK to use one quart every 2,000 miles, and VW, who says it's Ok to use one quart in 1,000 miles.
I rarely see saturn vehicles in lemon law claims, and I do plenty of GM work. In fact, out of 600-800 GM cases I've seen in 2 years, I've only seen 4 or 5 Saturns. That, to me, as my gauge of quality and reliability, speaks measures.
Apr 13, 2003 (9:59 am)
As an appraiser, I rarely see cars over 200K either. Most are dead before that, and the ones that aren't, have had some major work in many cases--most cases. Why? Because a car is a lot more than an engine AND because all kinds of "hidden diseases" occur when the car's expected lifetime has been exceeded. By that I mean problems never anticipated or planned for by engineers, since they don't expect your car to go 200K.
However, as was stated, putting the miles on quicker gives you a better chance of reaching 200K, but a 200K mile car is the exception, not the rule, and you shouldn't count on that.
200K is well beyond what Saturn intended, I think, since a car is a lot more than just an engine.
Of course, you can keep any car on the road as long as you wish if you are willing to spend the money necessary to do so.
How many miles you want to rack up depends on how much you are willing to write checks for.
As for Saturn, I'd say if you like the car drive it to 99K and bail out.
#12 of 18 I am not so sure
Apr 13, 2003 (11:59 am)
about standards, but I do know that every Toyota I have ever bought new, and the one Subaru, all went out to 100K without consuming any oil at all between oil changes. That is my expectation for those two brands.
Honda cars are designed to consume a little oil between oil changes, at least according to Honda mechanics I have spoken to, and that has also been my experience with the couple I have owned: they need an extra quart between oil changes, even when young.
#13 of 18 the ford guys say they're supposed to use a little, too
Apr 13, 2003 (11:07 pm)
and I haven't seen it in my two. not until I had some interesting external leakage in my 90 ranger beyond 120K, that is.
it is possible on lots of short local trips to build up water in the oil, raising the level. eventually a little extra will slosh around and get past the rings, or suctioned by the PCV, and you drop the level a tad. hit the highway on the weekend, you finally get the engine hot enough to cook out that water, and the PCV gets it. now you're down a little all at once, but the OIL really has been going down slowly all along.
that's pretty common, and probably why all the dealers prepare you for the event by saying you'll use some.
IMHO, things are wrong if you lose a quart in a couple thousand miles of normal driving. I would expect internal leakage at the usual trouble points, a stuck ring or two allowing a little to burn, or top-end leakage at valve seals or something allowing a little burning. won't stop you dead at the side of the road, so they don't care to chase it.
#14 of 18 I never could understand the "consuming" part either.
Apr 14, 2003 (3:49 am)
I don't think I've *ever* had a car that consumed a quart of oil every 1000, 2000, or 3000 miles. Now leaking it, that's a different story altogether. I've had valve cover gaskets, front seals, rear seals, the seal around the base of the distributor, the washer on the drain plug, etc go bad on various cars.
However, I've never had a car that actually burned (I'm presuming that's what is meant by "consume" oil in any significant quantity. I've heard that engines built to tighter tolerances will burn more oil, and it's partly in the interests of better fuel economy, but I've also been hearing that old song and dance before I was old enough to drive (back when you could tell what gender and race Michael Jackson was just by looking at him
Apr 14, 2003 (6:17 pm)
race: believed human.
leaks: every engine ever made leaks. if diogenes was looking for a good gasket with his oil lamp, he'd burn down half the town. fortunately, the pressure stuff holds up most of the time.
Apr 14, 2003 (9:53 pm)
It's actually probably good to burn a little bit of oil, for the upper cylinder area, but not too much of course. Engines that don't ever burn a drop make me nervous.
Apr 14, 2003 (10:05 pm)
a pretty bad leak if you leaked a quart every 2000 miles!
#18 of 18 99 SC2 5spd
Apr 16, 2003 (2:47 pm)
bought new does a 140 mile R/T all highway commute. change oil every month ,.....3K miles . at about 45-50 K the oil consumption started and at about 100K it was burning a qt every 300mi . I found a recycle yard engine with 15K mi swapped it myself and all is well now ,.....no oil usage between changes . With my experience the DOHC engine doesnt last much more than 100k . I wouldnt count on it Now some will not agree with me I am sure someone here has 500K and has only changed oil and wiper arms This is what has happened to me