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Honda Accord, Transmission, Sedan
#12 of 21 Carrier Bearings
Mar 22, 2003 (3:12 pm)
Just went thru my Honda shop manual-did not find one reference to a carrier bearing - this is a very complex tranny-lots of different bearings but no carrier bearings. This whole thing sounds very suspicious to me. Suggest you do a check with your county court house and check for the court cases in which this dealer has been involved. Be careful cause some of them have a DBA-doing business as name-sounds like he is a crook to me. Doubt if you can get anything out of him-very few people even have a clue as how to fix these trannies and proving they sabatoged it will be near impossible. Find another dealer and hopefully an honest one-consider getting a tranny out of a wreck-pull it yourself if possible so you can look at the vehicle and make certain some kid has not destroyed the car and tranny-should not cost but a few hundred bucks.
Let us know how this comes out-it is potentially a horror show.
Mar 22, 2003 (9:51 pm)
Well if it's an automatic then it's true, the car wouldn't even move without fluid in the transmission. And carrier bearings are usually associated with differentials but I'd need to see an internal drawing of your transaxle.
I agree, the whole thing smells funny.
Mar 25, 2003 (1:37 pm)
Hi everyone. I went for a second opinion today and the service guy told me that there it could be transmission problems and it could be wheel bearings going bad. But he assured me that it was some sort of bearings that's making the noise. He couldn't pinpoint it and said the car would need to go under diagnostic tests to find out where the noise is coming from. The sound comes into play when I'm driving from 25mph to 50 mph. After that, it doesn't make the noise any more, but I don't know how much road noise contributes to me not hearing it. The car accelerates and drives fine for now. What do you guys think of the wheel bearings going bad and making subtle noises? Anything I can do to the original honda dealer? Any suggestions on what I should go do next? Also, the guy at the second place said if it were the carrier bearings, replacing it will only cost 3500, better the 5500 from them money sucking. But I rather use that money for a down payment for a new car then fix an old car. Thanks for all your help. Greatly appreciated.
Mar 25, 2003 (2:42 pm)
Well wheel bearings can be inspected and if they are bad that wouldn't be too bad a repair.
#16 of 21 is there a packaged version of a contact mike they can use?
Mar 25, 2003 (8:15 pm)
I have several times in the past years thought taping a phono cartridge where you think the noise may be coming from, and using an amplifier in the back seat to listen and see if you guessed right. that's a point-contact mike you can put right where you think issues exist. windless remote mechanic's stethoscope you can use at 60 mph.
a good bearing would sound like water rushing down a falls, and a bad one would sound like riding downhill in a wagon through a prarie-dog town with a garbage can over your head and goons banging on it.
beats replacing tons of parts trying to prove it isn't the big one that you can't afford.
Mar 28, 2003 (4:03 pm)
Hey guys. So I think this discussion has been solved. I had a family friend take a look at our car, and what happened was the honda dealer rotated my tires and I believe did not tighten the bolts up as tightly. After rerotating the tires, and tightening the bolts up, the noise went away. So it never was the carrier bearings or any bearings associated with it. I guess the dealer is lucky that the tires did not come off or any castrophic happened or else they would be facing a lawsuit. I appreciated all your help. I knew the tranny couldn't have gone bad such so early.
Mar 29, 2003 (10:32 am)
Actually I see wheels coming off cars more often than I'd like or more often than you'd expect. Some shops are too careless and they appoint the low man on the totem pole to do the wheel work.
#19 of 21 Funny related story -
Mar 29, 2003 (11:29 am)
my boss and I were interviewing some folks when I was with Super Shops - I was close to being promoted to regional manager, so he wanted me to do interviews.
At Super Shops, we NEVER used air guns to install wheels (we sold a LOT of high dollar wheels and tires). We respected the money and time people put into their hot rods and treated them accordingly.
I asked this one young man, who was interviewing for a position as a tire guy, what he thought I should do in the "big picture", if a guy just got a $3,000 set of wheels and tires installed on his Corvette and got 200 feet down the road and one of his wheels feel off.
After he explained just how apologetic we should be, I asked him what should be done to the guy who installed the wheels on the car (him). He said:
"Well, the first time, I should definitely get a written warning - the second time, I would think that I might lose a few hours pay or something, the third time....."
I ended the interview at that point.
#20 of 21 Loose lug nuts/wheel noise
Mar 30, 2003 (7:31 am)
A stupid idiot-me-forgot to tighten his lug nuts-driving down the road-heard a whop whop whop-sounded like a huey coming in for a landing-immediately stopped and tightened the lug nuts.
Had to have 3 studs pressed out and replaced with new ones-threads were buggered beyond fixing. CHeck the threads on your lug bolts/studs now cause having them replaced is a BIG DEAL. If you had noise cause they were loose-don't see how they could survive intact. The longer you wait to check the less chance you have of getting the dealer to fix his mistake. Friend with a Toyota had a dealer pull the same blunder-really a bear getting them to replace the mangled bolts.
#21 of 21 shouldn't be that hard a deal getting the studs replaced
Apr 13, 2003 (10:54 pm)
assuming, that is, that there is a press in the shop. if not, they probably are lacking a lot of other tools as well that they should have. darned things are not that expensive, cost less than a tool chest if you buy whatever dock sweepings are at the local surplus-and-tools store. having the foresight to have a dozen studs in each size is almost too much to hope for, I will admit. but shoot, at a hospital in the early 80s, I had access and frequently used both an 8-ton hydraulic bearing press and a 2-ton manual (long worm gear) bearing press. this is not brain surgery, folks, an airgun-swinging guy can figure this out if a computer guy can.