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BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series, BMW 7 Series
#615 of 729 Re: Modern BMWs.... [merc1]
Oct 23, 2005 (5:06 am)
What did you think of the 90's 8-Series Coupe?
I loved it when it first came out and thought it looked futuristic at the time. I still like it but it has not worn on me as well as others like the original 3, 5, 6, 7 and M1. It's amazing to me when I think back at these cars because before them, BMW in the US was basically the 2002. Although the 2002 started the BMW frenzy in the US, I think it was the first 5, and especially the follow-up with the 3 then 7 that really made their bones here. Between 68 and 77 were the formative years for their success in the US. I remember them as being quite magical.
#616 of 729 PLEASE READ THIS, BMW EXECUTIVES!
Oct 23, 2005 (5:48 am)
BMW should give Chris Bangle a hefty raise and keep him around as long as possible.
Every time I approach my 2005 545i, I am just beaming with pride.
E60 sales are up. The car is a big success.
Stick around Chris. We need designers who have the courage to come out with bold, aggressive and sexy new designs.
The BMW chat-rooms are gushing with praise for Mr. Bangle.
The E60. The only time this vehicle is boring is when it is slicing through the wind at 120 mph.
#617 of 729 Re: PLEASE READ THIS, BMW EXECUTIVES! [hpowders]
Oct 23, 2005 (6:30 am)
In further defense of Mr. Bangle...
I think some of the derision his designs have taken would've died down long ago if it wasn't so easy to 'adjectize' his name. If his name was Smith people would've posted, "I hate the new design of the BMWs," and then they would've gone on to other things. But people, being what they are, can't help but post things like, "OMG, it's been Bangled!" This has more resonance than "...Smithed!" so it bounced around the echo chamber more than it otherwise would've.
#618 of 729 Re: PLEASE READ THIS, BMW EXECUTIVES! [potemkin]
Oct 23, 2005 (7:25 am)
Actually, Bangle takes more abuse than he deserves. The owners, the Quandts, are to blame because they are the ones who demanded the heritage look be changed. However, ugly is ugly, so if Bangle was named Smith it wouldn’t have made any difference.
Also, Bangle was in place long before Banglization or Quandtification (which is probably the reality of the matter and more appropriate), so he should get credit for the previous generation of bimmers.
Hmm, I’ll have to think about this. If we started a Quandtification movement I don’t think it would catch on at this point. Thus, Mr Bangle is probably a victim of circumstance and, good or bad, Banglization is much of his legacy...
Nope, it is what it is. Nice try but the proposal is rejected…
Banglization = ugly
Case closed, court is adjourned.
#619 of 729 The loyal opposition...
Oct 23, 2005 (7:30 am)
While I am still a fan of BMW, the Banglized 7-Series and 5-Series are not even remotely to my liking. To take it a step further, to my eye at least, I think the E60 is one of the ugliest cars on the road and short of a significant face lift, I won't be having another 5-Series adorning my garage (unless an E39 540i 6-Speed or M5 finds itself in my possession).
Personally I'm hoping that the next 5-Series ("E" one hundred and something?) will present a face much more to my liking.
#620 of 729 Re: PLEASE READ THIS, BMW EXECUTIVES! [designman]
Oct 23, 2005 (9:06 am)
"However, ugly is ugly,"
You just might want to add: IMHO
Case dismissed and court is adjourned.
#621 of 729 Re: The loyal opposition... [shipo]
Oct 23, 2005 (9:24 am)
Say what you want. Meanwhile E60 sales are up, E60 chat rooms are thriving with Bangle idulation and BMW is laughing all the way to the bank.
Even if you don't care for the design you could admit that Bangle had the courage to not go with BORING!
So the E90 that you got with those hideous taillights is beauty in your eyes?
Now that is truly ugly IMHO and every time I see one I can't stop LMAO.
I would like to chat more but there is a nice smooth interstate about a mile away that I just have to Bangleize now that everyone is home watching football.
#622 of 729 If the car is so ugly, then why are sales up?
Oct 23, 2005 (9:36 am)
Obviously, the people who feel the car is ugly are in the minority, and a very small minority. If the car was so ugly, then sales would have gone down. Sales would have gone down, because a majority of people are NOT going to buy an ugly car. But, sales are up, so a vast majority of people feel the car is classy.
For the record, I think the design of the E39 was classy, and I think the design of the E60 is classy. I like them both, so I have no bias one way or the another. I also do not currently own a BMW, so again, no built in bias.
Looks are very subjective and everyone has a valuable opinion when it comes to looks. Each person's opinion is correct for that person; it is their opinion. But; on a whole, car success is measured by sales. No sales means no business, which means there will be no profits. Sales of the E60 are up. There is no disputing the aforementioned fact. Thus, there are a very large number of people who like the design, which means it is not a bad design, but a very good design. Bad design equals sales decline, while a good design equals sales increase. The market speaks for itself.
Some people on this board may not like the new design. It is there right to hold that opinion. Just as it is the right of the people on this board to say the new design is good. Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. The facts show sales are up. Thus, the vast majority of people like the design. BMW made a bold move and it worked. Profits are up! Profits are the measuring stick of all companies. BMW and all of their designs are looking good.
#623 of 729 Re: If the car is so ugly, then why are sales up? [bmwdoug]
Oct 23, 2005 (9:39 am)
#624 of 729 Re: The loyal opposition... [hpowders]
Oct 23, 2005 (9:52 am)
"Even if you don't care for the design you could admit that Bangle had the courage to not go with BORING!"
No argument there, then again, I even applauded GM for having the chutzpah to do the Aztek. Nuff said.
Regarding the E90, nope, didn't get one, although I would if it fit my new driving profile. Most likely my next new ride is going to be an A3 2.0T 6-Speed manual. Regarding the taillights on the E90, yup, not the strongest design feature of the E90, but still better than either end of the E60, IMHO.