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BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series, BMW 7 Series
#593 of 729 Modern BMWs....
Aug 03, 2005 (1:47 am)
While I've always liked BMWs they have slipped behind Audi in design, imo. My favorites of the past are the original 6-Series Coupe, 1989-1995 5-Series and the 1991-1997 8-Series, which I'm most likely in the minority on.
The current models:
2006 3-Series - Not nearly as bad as the 2002 7-Series and about tied with the current 5-Series. Since I know a coupe and a convertible are coming I'll wait to see what they look like since I really don't like sedans as much. Still though in the right color with the right wheels this new 3-Series look ok I guess, nothing to write home about like say the current E46 Convertible or M3, now those are truly "good looking" with no excuses needed about color or wheels size. The interior without the idrive/nav setup looks incredibly plain and bare, but then again BMW interiors have always looked this way to me, only the 7-Series has any real flair to interior, imo.
5-Series - Again, in the right color with the right size wheels (sport package) the car looks edgy, aggressive and ultra-modern. The interior isn't anything to look at either, but BMW's have always placed function first the new cockpits are no different, even though they took away the driver-angled characteristic of the previous generation interior/dashboard/center console. A Black 545i or soon to be 550i (360hp!) looks downright mean and intimidating on the highway. I caught a Saab 9-3 Aero and a 545i Sport playing tag the other day, the other drivers really cleared the lane for the BMW.
7-Series - Well what can I say? I can't stand it, even after the nip/tuck it has been through. This is still a very ugly and ungainly car to me. The rear is too high and square and the front end looks like something is missing. Best BMW interior going of course. That said, the 7-Series has that BMW presence though. I mean it looks mean and aggressive, but now it just doesn't look "good" when it exudes this character.
Z4 - To my eye, Mr. Bangle nailed it here. The car has the perfect old-school roadster proportions (cab backwards) and dimensions. I can't wait to see what the facelift will look like. This should include a Motorsport version.
E46 Coupe/Convertible/M3 - Get them while you can. These are the current lookers in the BMW family, especially with the ZHP package 330i models. The M3 looks as good today as it did when it first debuted.
I've seen Z8s before, but I finally saw the Alphina version about a week ago. The Z8 was classic sports car for real. Huge wheels look like blades. The only fly in the buttermilk was those center mounted gauges. The Z8 was a gorgeous car that Bangle obviously had nothing to do with?
#595 of 729 Re: Modern BMWs.... [merc1]
Aug 04, 2005 (4:19 am)
“The Z8 was a gorgeous car that Bangle obviously had nothing to do with?”
As we know, Bangle takes much credit and blame for the current generation of BMWs. Good or bad, they are his legacy forever. However, it is hard to say exactly how much influence he has over the designs because he does not pen them himself in his position as design director. BMW’s design process is a whole subject in itself and Bangle is at the root of this process since he has absolute power, probably more power than his contemporaries at other companies from what I have read.
That said, the designs of individual BMWs can be attributed to specific staff designers. However, since we don’t know the level of Bangle’s participation and that of others in the company, the significance of their signatures is questionable.
The Z8 was designed by Henrik Fisker who also designed the DB9 and V8 Vantage, and who also was design director of Aston Martin. Is it a “Bangle” design? Good question. In the sense that we know “Bangle” designs I don’t think it will be remembered as such even though it appears to come under his tutelage. The mainstream BMWs are a separate design movement while the Z8 was supposedly a retro effort, modeled after the 507 roadster. Different approach.
But if you ask me, one thing is for sure. The Z8 has “collectible” written all over it.
#596 of 729 Re: Z8.... [designman]
Aug 05, 2005 (1:29 am)
I could not agree more! Z8 is beatiful and instantly evokes all kind of trip adventures.
#597 of 729 Re: Modern BMWs.... [designman]
Aug 05, 2005 (2:06 am)
The Z8 was designed by Henrik Fisker who also designed the DB9 and V8 Vantage, and who also was design director of Aston Martin.
You know I knew that but never put it together. I can't wait to see what he designs under his own company. The first cars are supposed to be shown at the Frankfurt auto show next month. They'll probably look too much like Aston-Martins to Ford/Aston execs.
I agree, the Z8 will most likely be a classic years from now, which ironically I think kept it from being more popular when it was on sale.
I'm just waiting to see the next "special" car BMW comes up with. What did you think of the 90's 8-Series Coupe? I loved that car. Mercedes may have far more commercial success with their current SL, but it won't be a collectors item because of that same success in the showrooms. BMW has a way of producing a more "special" top end car from this perspective, though the 8-Series of the 90's won't be a collectors item, imo. These BMWs are just rare, always...whether or not BMW wanted them to be that way or not.
#598 of 729 E60 headlights
Aug 05, 2005 (4:24 am)
I have read that some of you do not like the E60 headlights. Sorry, I cannot remember just now the post and forum where I read that.
Personally I think the headlights are one of the more appealing traits of the E60 exterior styling. Not only at daytime but also (and specially) with lights on at night, when the yellow brows shine above the circles of light. Have you noticed at the driven mirror one E60 with lights on approaching your car from the rear? Or just passing over when you stands at the street/road? (hpowders, you may as well take a picture of your 545 then )
The worst part of the E60 design is, to me, the way in which the car body merges with the trunk, as observed laterally to the car. That is a mess of lines that always confuses me.
#599 of 729 Re: E60 headlights [jlbl]
Aug 05, 2005 (6:02 am)
Yes. Agreed. The lateral rear lines where the body merges with the trunk is the worst part of the E60 design.
Mine is the only E60 I ever see around here which suits me just fine.
As I previously said, I have never seen such a contrast of a car's body between photos(not good) and reality(breathtaking and aggressive). The headlights are a perfect example.
I hope they re-think that "mess of lines" as you so aptly put it. Looks like a jigsaw puzzle where the parts don't exactly fit flush to each other.
#600 of 729 2006 325i test drive
Aug 07, 2005 (8:22 am)
I recently tested both the 2006 325i and 330i, before ordering a 325xi for my wife.
We have ordered the Mercedes R Class for family trips and hauling my daughter and her friends around... and also for me to 'play' with.
The 325xi has been ordered with Metallic Black/Black interior with Poplar wood trim.
Cold weather pkg ( my wife wants heated seats for the cold mornings) and I wanted the fold down seats in case I use the car to carry golf clubs.
Comfort access ( although I am afraid we will park in a garage and forget to leave the key for the attendant.. taking a chance there.. .. I wish there were a feature where you could set the car for valet parking so they could access the car if you forget to take the key out of your pocket)
NAV - A MUST!!!
My wife doesn't want Sirius.. so we left it off.
Their premium stereo is not premium at all... it's just a gimmick. Not sure why they don't put quality systems in their autos.... they seem to think these stereos systems sound good... but they don't.... they are good for talk radio... that's it... just my opinion!.. also, if you order the premium stereofor $1200, you still have to pay more for the cd changer. Also, it would be nice to know thw power ratings, etc for this additional $1200 they want...
There is one disturbing fact about this particular model year... ipod option is no longer available.. they have included an input in the armrest for generic audio inputs... the problem is the ipod's display is no longer viewable through the instrument display... and the ipod will not charge itself while in use... this is just a glaring ommission!!! I guess they figure the audio input is enough,,, it is NOT!!!
We have previously owned a 2000 740iL and two 5 series wagons... the latest being the 2002 540iT. So, the 3 series is a downsize. I was concerned about interior room, up until the 2006 version came out. Now there is plenty of room in the back for our 5 year old daughter.... and the times that I will drive the car will be few and far between ( I am 6'5"). At my height, I can drive the car fairly comfortably... but I doubt I would drive it for hours at a time.
The overall styling of the car is very nice.... the back tail lights are hideous... but they may grow on me.
The drive of the car is excellent! Although, the acceleration is not quite what i am used to, it is fine... even in the 325. Once you have the car over 45mph, you can get it up to 100mph with no struggle..... and at that speed, it rides like it's on a cloud.... lane changes are a breeze... brakes are excellent, although we didn't see any benefit of the soft stop feature... didn't feel soft to me....
Cupholders are still a JOKE! Although better than in their other attempts.
The rear seat armrest is fragile in appearance and feel... rear cupholders that eject fromt here seem to only be able to handle toddler cups... and nothing with more than 8 ounces of liquid in them. Even the fron cupholders seem to only be able to handle half filled 8 ounce cups ( without spilling).
The backseat is fine for smaller adults... anyone under 6ft, I would say... but adults will not want to occupy it for too long.
Rear seat sunshades make a lot of sense, because when iIdid ride in the back, the sun beating down from the back window was uncomfortable... to say the least.
Also, the website says daytime running lights and vehicle key memory are not available at this time..... so each time a different driver gets in, they have to physically push buttons to adjust their seats/mirrors.... a mild inconvenience.
The AWD option is the most important aspect of this car to us. Other BMW's we have owned were down right scary in the snow.... I could tell you stories.....
All in al we look forward to taking delivery.... but have hedged our bets, by deciding to lease instead of buying.... I am sure in 3 years, BMW will have improved the vehicle even more or some competitor will attract our attention....
#601 of 729 Re: 2006 325i test drive [innhitman]
Aug 07, 2005 (9:32 am)
Your review of the 325i should be placed on the "BMW-3 Series 2006" thread.
Many will appreciate reading it there.
We are discussing styling trends here.
#602 of 729 Anyone know if we will get the 330i Wagon?
Aug 22, 2005 (7:05 am)
With the last model Europe had a 330i Wagon as well as the 325i Wagon we had, does anyone know if we will get the 330i (or ix) wagon this time?