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#310 of 728 Carlisimo by tlcman Jul 17, 2004 (8:38 pm)
The X3 was a mistake, on road handling stinks and the lack of a low transfer case and absolutely no underbody armor makes this car an absolute flop... As for Europe.... the price of gas in the EU is astronomical, when I was there 2 weeks ago it was the equivalent to 5-6 U.S. dollars for a litre..... in other words you dont see many SUV's if any in the EU. Any light front wheel or even rear wheel drive car can travel throughout the EU and even to the mountains.... I believe I saw a total of 20 or so SUV's during my stay, and even in Germany, they are just to uneconomical... Replies to this message: bavarian (Jul 18, 2004 4:11 pm)
#311 of 728 Re: Carlisimo [tlcman] by bavarian Jul 18, 2004 (4:11 pm)
Replying to: tlcman (Jul 17, 2004 8:38 pm) I think you mean $5-6$ U.S. per GALLON, not per litre.   Norris
#312 of 728 i-drive and MMI by m4d_cow Jul 19, 2004 (11:01 am)
seems like audi and MB choose to remain on track, e.g stick to the old concept rather than radically change like bmw. audi's MMI is one example that the i-drive's concept is actually useful and it can work, that is when its applied in the right way. i-drive will need quite some things to fix to make customers accept it. throw in MMI instead of i-drive in bmws and sales will rise
#314 of 728 by merc1 Jul 19, 2004 (8:57 pm)
I don't know about those pics.....they're heading down the Bangle road with BMW's most prized car. All European cars are going to be puffy looking up front due to the new pedestrian safety standards. The new 3-Series and MB's 2006 S-Class will be the first to conform to these rules, meaning bigger hoods with taller front ends.....a designer's nightmare.   M
#315 of 728 merc1 by m4d_cow Jul 19, 2004 (11:35 pm)
and its gonna have aerodinamical values equal to a box   autoblogger: youre right, seems very agressive, and less banglism, amen to that
#316 of 728 by wale_bate1 Jul 20, 2004 (7:40 am)
I think those are unbelievably frightening. If that's the 3, even if they bring the touring here with a decent plant, it's off my list.   Maybe they should hire Christian Koenigsegg away from his own company for some real design...
#317 of 728 New 545 owner by rich545 Jul 20, 2004 (10:37 am)
Hi all- Well, I just traded in a 2003 330xi for the 2004 545, and it was certainly not an easy decision to make. I hated the new 5 design when it came out (like many, many others here), but I have to admit that it has grown on me. I'm sure that's largely due to the fact that I own one, but it's also due to the fact that it's an absolute blast to drive. Don't know why some people think the interior has a cheap feel; IMHO it's just as high quality as my 330's was if not more so. Obviously the look of the interior is debatable, but I somehow doubt BMW spent less money on the materials than they did in the previous 5 (a good friend has the older body style and I don't think the interior of his feels or looks like it's made of better materials). I guess I just agree with those here that are saying that the new body style will take time to get used to, but that people WILL get used to it and probably even like it eventually. Nearly everytime a incredibly popular car gets a full re-design loyalists have a hard time with it. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat justified in this case, but I would say it's rare for loyalists to rave about a re-design of a car they love. But BMW absolutely has to stay on the cutting edge to design and technology which means they can't stay with the same body styles forever. Maybe the new 5 isn't for everyone, but it's a great car to drive, and I think I could train my black lab to use the iDrive. I'll tell you one thing though, like it or hate it, people certainly find it interesting to look at. I actually feel uncomfortable with how much people look at it sometimes! Replies to this message: vsaxena (Jul 20, 2004 12:07 pm) rich545 (Jul 20, 2004 1:10 pm) rich545 (Jul 20, 2004 1:17 pm) vsaxena (Jul 20, 2004 2:01 pm) and 4 more...
#318 of 728 Re: New 545 owner [rich545] by vsaxena Jul 20, 2004 (12:07 pm)
Replying to: rich545 (Jul 20, 2004 10:37 am) Congratulations on the 5er. Once you are inside the car, I am sure the experience is worth the money. Make sure you take the scenic route to work.   The exterior is a different story altogether.   The problem with E60 is that it is not just the loyalists but regular 9-5 Office Folks, the 9-8 Silicon Valley nerds, most car mags, and most consumer mag who find the design discomforting. Two colleagues of mine refused to consider the E60 after looking at the redesign; they did not even want to go the dealer to take a test drive.   A new model after 7 years should have prompted a large number of sales as the pent-up demand was released. The improving economy should have helped (the bonuses were pretty good last year). However, the E60 has not sold well.   A new design will typically grow on people once they get used to it. However, there is something fundamentally screwed up with the design of this car which puts people off. For me it is the slanty lights which look completely out of place with the overall body style.   The new 7 series also raised question marks. However it has gradually grown on people, since it did not lack harmony in the design; just newness and iDrive.   However, E60 draws strong negative vibes, not just neutral vibes. There is so much that the Roundel/Props/Driving Experience can do to diffuse the visceral repulsion the E60's body style triggers. It will require retuning of most people's sense of harmony and balance to get used to. Replies to this message: rich545 (Jul 20, 2004 1:10 pm) rich545 (Jul 20, 2004 1:17 pm) vsaxena (Jul 20, 2004 2:01 pm) karmikan (Jul 20, 2004 10:09 pm) and 3 more...
#319 of 728 Re: New 545 owner [vsaxena] by rich545 Jul 20, 2004 (1:10 pm)
Replying to: vsaxena (Jul 20, 2004 12:07 pm) I guess I have to disagree, to some degree. Firstly, loyalists to a particular car design can have any occupation. What I mean is people (like myself) that loved the old 5 design. I remember lots more than just neutral reaction to the 7 as well. In fact, I don't know anyone that liked it all when it was first released. As far as harmony and balance go, they are completely subjective. Again, I didn't like the design at all when I first saw and for a good while after it, and it did grow on me. To tell you the truth, everyone I've shown it to thinks it's a great looking car and they are surprised that they feel that way. Maybe it's seeing the car up close and from different angles that matters. I also don't think the reviews from car mags were that bad at all even about the looks. Here's Car and Driver's: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8011. Most seem to say that the syling might not be to a particular individual's taste, but that's about it. Isn't retuning people's sense of balance and harmony what a car company should try to do if it chooses to lead the way rather than to follow the pack anyway?

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