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BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series, BMW 7 Series
#306 of 729 Design of the 5 & 7...
Jul 15, 2004 (2:52 pm)
Although both designs are polarizing, the 7 does have a certain "presence" on the road. I'm even acclimating to the new 5, but as a 2003 530 SP owner, my biggest complaint is with the interior control interfaces.
Seats are wonderful, it's screwed together nicely, but BMW has instilled a "coldness" and an impersonal nature to the interiors of both the 5 & 7 IMO. The 7 has the requisite luxury ambience, but the 5 is somewhat sterile.
I miss the cockpit-like feel in my e39. The overall goodness of the e39 keeps me from rushing to buy the latest creations from BMW. Conversely, I am not automatically drawn to other marques in a display of civil disobedience to BMW!
MB makes some beautiful cars (we've owned several since 1997), but they have their cross to bear in the form of lousy electronics QA on their vehicles. I will NOT pay their price of entry to receive mediocre to poor quality operating sub-systems, no matter how well screwed together they are.
For me, BMW still hits the mark on driving aesthetics, but lose the "I'm too smart for my own good" school of thought on the human interface design! Fix things now before it is too late and resale values plummet on the 2003-4 models.
Jul 15, 2004 (6:45 pm)
I thought the X3 was meant to be the tall car everyone in the US seems to want. Its off road capabilities are probably good enough for what's common in Europe, unpaved paths leading to mountain chalets.
Jul 16, 2004 (6:19 am)
but it also looks intimidating and I think that that works better on their sports coupes where you want to look mean and intimidating, like the Z4 or 6 series.
true that and i agree with you that bangle should design only 2 doors instead.
lovemyclk: i also felt the same way, cold w/o emotion, thats how i see the interior. i-drive more a hassle than a help.
#309 of 729 7 Series Good 5 Series Not To Good
Jul 16, 2004 (7:06 am)
I like the new 7 Series Styling. The falling sales numbers could just have been indication of a poor economy for this range of cars along with the I-Drive. I do not think it was the styling only which caused the problem. I guess once the economy picks up the 7 series will start doing better.
I can not like the new 5 series styling. The lines are all screwed up and the angled lights just do not do justice to the car. The only color I have found it tolerable is black. I guess once you can not see the lines of the car it becomes less discomforting. Even there the lights stand out. This car lacks harmony. It does not convey a feeling of balance. Contrast that with the looks of the new Acura or the MBs and the choice becomes a no brainer.
#310 of 729 Carlisimo
Jul 17, 2004 (8:38 pm)
The X3 was a mistake, on road handling stinks and the lack of a low transfer case and absolutely no underbody armor makes this car an absolute flop... As for Europe.... the price of gas in the EU is astronomical, when I was there 2 weeks ago it was the equivalent to 5-6 U.S. dollars for a litre..... in other words you dont see many SUV's if any in the EU. Any light front wheel or even rear wheel drive car can travel throughout the EU and even to the mountains.... I believe I saw a total of 20 or so SUV's during my stay, and even in Germany, they are just to uneconomical...
#311 of 729 Re: Carlisimo [tlcman]
Jul 18, 2004 (4:11 pm)
I think you mean $5-6$ U.S. per GALLON, not per litre.
#312 of 729 i-drive and MMI
Jul 19, 2004 (11:01 am)
seems like audi and MB choose to remain on track, e.g stick to the old concept rather than radically change like bmw.
audi's MMI is one example that the i-drive's concept is actually useful and it can work, that is when its applied in the right way. i-drive will need quite some things to fix to make customers accept it.
throw in MMI instead of i-drive in bmws and sales will rise
Jul 19, 2004 (8:57 pm)
I don't know about those pics.....they're heading down the Bangle road with BMW's most prized car. All European cars are going to be puffy looking up front due to the new pedestrian safety standards. The new 3-Series and MB's 2006 S-Class will be the first to conform to these rules, meaning bigger hoods with taller front ends.....a designer's nightmare.
Jul 19, 2004 (11:35 pm)
and its gonna have aerodinamical values equal to a box
autoblogger: youre right, seems very agressive, and less banglism, amen to that