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BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series, BMW 7 Series
#120 of 729 3 Series
Jun 07, 2003 (1:05 pm)
indiana97... If you like introduction and production data, check out Jeremy Walton's book, BMW 3 Series Enthusiast's Companion (Bentley Publishers, 2001). Per it, the first 3 Series (E21) was "announced in the first week of July 1975 to the German press and European LHD markets, the 3 Series was also sold in RHD...in Britain in Autumn, 1975.... On sale in US starting November 1976 [320i MY 1977]." The E30 3 Series "debut of the 318i in the US in 1983". "In the USA, the E36 generation premiered in four-door 325i format for model year 1992." "It was July of 1998 before the latest 323i and 328i arrived in America."
In all forms worldwide:
-E21 in production from June 1975-Sept 1983.
Initially sold in Europe as 316, 318, & 320i 4 cyls.
-E30 in production from 1982-Jan 1994.
Sedan majority 1982-1990.
-E36 in production from 1990-2000.
Sedans in production until 1998. Some built at Spartansburg SC plant.
-E46 in production since 1998.
#121 of 729 745 Restyle when?
Jun 07, 2003 (9:49 pm)
I owned a 2002 745i that was re purchased by bmw na. I m considering getting a new 2003 745li. I keep reading about the body style being tweaked but have never herd if that is officially gonna happen or just a rumor. The only thing I have herd that is going to be different on the 04s is the bluetooth technology. Anyone know 4 sure when the body will b changed on the 745?
Jun 08, 2003 (5:33 am)
..... I don't "think" that even BMW has really started that bold move .. lot's of false pride going on there.
Personally if I were you, I would be lookin' at a pre-owned 745Li with 4/6/8k and saving $20 grand, their re-sale is Not good.
Jun 11, 2003 (10:11 am)
The cosmetic changes will be introduced with the '04MY this fall. I've heard that the dlrs preview is next month. I would not buy a pre-owned '02 or '03 because of all the buybacks. Plus, the value of the '02/'03s will fall even further when the restyle comes out. The dlrs are giving these cars away with their below market lease rates and lofty residuals.
#124 of 729 This is hypothetical so don't flame me
Jun 13, 2003 (10:56 am)
I am starting to wonder about how much car prices really drop with redesigns... because if you plot the average price graph year on year, most curves look the same.
I also wonder for another reason, that being, with new computer aided designing and more modern flexible platforms and such things, more and more makers keep improvising their car's body shell (some might call tweaking) through the standard 4-7 year life cycle of the car anyway... just about everybody seems to be doing the refresh after 2 years game lately... does that even matter anymore?
#125 of 729 Price Changes Over Time
Jun 13, 2003 (1:26 pm)
ksoman... You have to adjust for (1) inflation, (2) the extent of the redesign (e.g., did it include new engines, transmission, etc. which can be expensive to develop), (3) changes in standard equipment, and (4) relative currency changes (say between euro and dollar--so that something might rise in price dollar-wise but not euro-wise and vice versa).
Believe the data shows that in most cases a car is less expensive over time. Most expensive when first produced (i.e., in the early model years). The nominal price may actually rise, but that can be due to (and less than) general inflationary pressures and often once optional equipment is made standard. For example, didn't the MY2003 5 Series get standard sunroof and rear head protection? And all MY2003s added another year of "free" maintenance (so it is now 4/50 rather than 3/36). And keep in mind that in less than a few years the euro went from about $1.17 to $0.84 and back to around $1.17.
From a cost accounting standpoint, the unit cost of production will decline as plant & equipment costs associated with the new vehicle are amortized over time. There are also a lot of intial start-up costs to creating a new design. And there is a production learning curve. Should take fewer hours and fewer inputs to build over time as they get used to the new design, plant & equipment. So, unit cost of production should decline over time.
#126 of 729 Price Changes
Jun 13, 2003 (9:54 pm)
A pretty effective way of tracking the "real" cost of a product over time is to graph the average annual salary against the price of the item. This automatically compensates for variables such as inflation, increased productivity etc.
I've seen this calculation done for cars and the price (the number of months the average person has to work to buy a specific car) has steadily declined over the past several decades. Factor in the increased standard content level such as airbags, CD players etc and the decline is even more pronounced.
Jun 18, 2003 (9:23 am)
I agree with you, however my point is, the "relativity" or in my world, "rate of change delta" are kinda similar, not looking at pure $s (no adjustments for inflations etc..) and as murphy would slap me and say, no rule fits everything, there are always those exceptions called collector cars...
Jun 18, 2003 (9:27 am)
Looks like the death valley in the background.
I have actually seen some X3s with light camouflages while i was driving around the German countryside in January and then again in March.
The more SUV's i see on the road (and despite I adding to the national statistics of overweight people), I'm more and more and more convinced I'm headed into the non-SUV direction as I gather materials and babies... if I need space, i'll probably go with a a6 avant or a 5 series wagon.